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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 15/10/2025 08:26

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 14/10/2025 13:05

Agree, she does the 'hard stare' to perfection.

I love the stare into camera for the "it works" after the glasses cleaning one.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/10/2025 14:50

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/10/2025 13:20

The best towels for towel turbans are IKEA's cheap, thin hand towels. Not the thicker, smaller ones, they fall off.

To make a towel (or any other) turban: Bend forwards. Drape towel over head with the edge at your hairline. Bring the ends together at your forehead, twist the ends together and tuck in at the back.

I got very good at turbans when I was having chemo!

I used to have a hand towel which I’d had since I was a student which had become very thin through many washings - that was perfect, until of course it disintegrated. Then I had a microfibre towel, a longer thinner rectangle than normal towels which was good but dd took that off to uni with her. Apart from using the ready made hair turbans with a button, I recently found an old baby towel, one of the ones with a triangular corner - that works well too, back to front.

ThreeWordHarpy · 14/10/2025 14:00

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/10/2025 16:24

For anyone not womaning correctly here's Just Melani saying we're allowed to say 'We do not care'. She's good. Three pairs of glasses and a panty liner stuck to her top, what's not to like 😅

www.instagram.com/reel/DPtlVP2jTUS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Thank you - I’ve not seen Just Melani before. She is exactly like a fabulous boss I once had in the USA - she took no nonsense and had a perfect hard stare too!

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/10/2025 13:20

The best towels for towel turbans are IKEA's cheap, thin hand towels. Not the thicker, smaller ones, they fall off.

To make a towel (or any other) turban: Bend forwards. Drape towel over head with the edge at your hairline. Bring the ends together at your forehead, twist the ends together and tuck in at the back.

I got very good at turbans when I was having chemo!

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 14/10/2025 13:05

MarieDeGournay · 14/10/2025 11:02

This is so funny! She had me at spitting-out-the-top-of-the-highlighter-in-a-threatening-manner😂

Agree, she does the 'hard stare' to perfection.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/10/2025 12:16

The Pill was a real liberation for me too - more freedom to have sex with my BF was nice but the freedom from the pain was wonderful.
I managed school more or less ok because my periods were at least infrequent and I was bright enough to be able to take a couple of days off without significant impact. The climbers didn’t get to the throwing up from the pain stage did they?
Except for my bloody English lit o level which was one exam on the wrong day… I reckon that cost me a grade.Hmm

MarieDeGournay · 14/10/2025 11:02

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/10/2025 16:24

For anyone not womaning correctly here's Just Melani saying we're allowed to say 'We do not care'. She's good. Three pairs of glasses and a panty liner stuck to her top, what's not to like 😅

www.instagram.com/reel/DPtlVP2jTUS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This is so funny! She had me at spitting-out-the-top-of-the-highlighter-in-a-threatening-manner😂

mach2 · 14/10/2025 06:33

Afterwards before he returned it to Boots, he was curious as to its effect and tried it… yelled and fell down.

That made me laugh out loud. Quite slapstick.

I take my god daughter to music lessons and we have a bite to eat after. She had to cry off last time because of agonising period pain (she'd also missed college in the week). My sister suffered badly in her youth.

On the question of "equal rights" I think women should have extra rights because they do two things that blokes don't do. Both can be extremely debilitating and one is potentially crippling or fatal.

One of these rights could be to be able to select the most insensitive bloke they know, or just a bloke at random, who will have to try the tens machine 😆

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/10/2025 16:24

For anyone not womaning correctly here's Just Melani saying we're allowed to say 'We do not care'. She's good. Three pairs of glasses and a panty liner stuck to her top, what's not to like 😅

www.instagram.com/reel/DPtlVP2jTUS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Britinme · 13/10/2025 14:39

I have a neat thing called a Turbitowel that is like a hood with a long point so you put it on your head and twist the long bit round and tuck it through an elastic loop on the back. Useful!

Kucinghitam · 13/10/2025 14:26

Blimey, I don't think I could ever produce something like that on top of my head!

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/10/2025 11:21

(Those look pre-formed, but some people can make one by twiddling a hand towel.round their head.)

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/10/2025 11:20

Towel turban after hair washing.

beauty girls GIF
Kucinghitam · 13/10/2025 11:05

What's a towel wrap?

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/10/2025 10:55

Same here with the towel wrap, Binturong. I'm not good at it unless I've got the right towel.

I don't woman right either. There are no dresses, heels, make-up, fake nails etc in my life. My nails are kept very short and my hair is a shortish and practical cut. As a youngster I was mystified by other girls and young women with their womanly clothes and hair and, to a large extent, they still mystify me.

None of this makes me any less of a woman and what you can or can't do doesn't make you any less of a woman either, @ISaySteadyOn

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/10/2025 10:44

Sorry, its one of the problems.with splitting thoughts across multiple threads and other people only getting fractions of my current mental spiderweb. It was just a thought about tendencies being related to what we practice, and that often we're practising behaviours without realising.

As I've just been saying on another thread, a behaviour being more common in one sex doesn't mean it's absent in the other - or that having/not having it defines sex. And I can only do the towel wrap if I have exactly the right size towel.

Lovelyview · 13/10/2025 10:20

ISaySteadyOn · 13/10/2025 10:01

I mostly lurk on here but I had to respond to this. What your DH did is something I, with my dyspraxic brain, would do. And it makes me feel like less of a woman because I can't do all the things that women are stereotypically supposed to do. I am terrible at multitasking and organisation, I trip over my own feet and I can't do the towel wrap on the head thing.
So when people post things like 'Men can't do x. Women are better at it', the negative committee inside my head pops up telling me that I have failed at being a woman because I can't do x.

I know this wasn't aimed at me or anything but just something to consider.

I too am a woman who is terrible at womanning. I don't feel less of a woman though. I have always known that clichés about how women and men behave is generally nonsense. I was startled when I found out that 99 per cent of sex offenders are male - I shouldn't have been because if you stop and think about it it's obvious but there is a clear and stark difference in behaviour between men and women in this area. Mopping up spills - not so much.

ISaySteadyOn · 13/10/2025 10:01

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/10/2025 23:10

Apologies for cross thread musings.

MrBint spilled some water from the dehumidifier in the bathroom today, and in his quest to get something absorbent to deal with it he bypassed:
1 the towels on the rail in the bathroom
2 the whole airing cupboard full of towels in the bathroom
3 the loo roll, in the loo next to the bathroom
4 the towel in the guest room at the other end of the corridor
5 the kitchen hand towel at the near end of the kitchen (up 2 steps, along the landing, down the stairs and down 2 more steps from the bathroom - so not that near, but still closer to the spill than 6)

to reach his chosen item -

6 the kitchen roll at the far end of the kitchen.

I mostly lurk on here but I had to respond to this. What your DH did is something I, with my dyspraxic brain, would do. And it makes me feel like less of a woman because I can't do all the things that women are stereotypically supposed to do. I am terrible at multitasking and organisation, I trip over my own feet and I can't do the towel wrap on the head thing.
So when people post things like 'Men can't do x. Women are better at it', the negative committee inside my head pops up telling me that I have failed at being a woman because I can't do x.

I know this wasn't aimed at me or anything but just something to consider.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 13/10/2025 09:47

FlowchartRequired · 13/10/2025 09:43

I watched the video (thanks for posting it) and then scrolled down to the comments. This pinned comment was right at the top. Of course the gender believers have been unhappy with the language used in the video and they have had to make a hostage statement clarification. Sigh.

I spotted that too. So tiresome.

Great video though!

FlowchartRequired · 13/10/2025 09:43

NoBinturongsHereMate · 07/10/2025 11:50

There are loads of 'men trying period pain simulator' videos out there, but I thought this one more interesting than most.

Rather than just 'turn it on and watch men cry', they have a man and a woman both actually trying to do something while wearing it. Both try the same tasks at the same levels (roughly equivalent to normal background, normal active cramp, and endometriosis) and talk a little about about how they experience it and how it affects sport training.

I watched the video (thanks for posting it) and then scrolled down to the comments. This pinned comment was right at the top. Of course the gender believers have been unhappy with the language used in the video and they have had to make a hostage statement clarification. Sigh.

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10
YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 13/10/2025 08:17

Thanks for sharing all the period stories. I have been through my own hell which has been dealing with endometriosis and heavy periods for years.

I get so irritated when transwomen complain of their "periods" online and post pictures of them cuddling hot water bottles and eating chocolate and wanting a special fuss made over them.

Meanwhile real women just battle through the pain, bleeding, etc., and continue as normal.

anyolddinosaur · 13/10/2025 07:32

@bignosebignose on the Sandie Peggie threads - it's about what an NHS computing guy did when looking at "evidence" from a mobile phone.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/10/2025 23:10

Apologies for cross thread musings.

MrBint spilled some water from the dehumidifier in the bathroom today, and in his quest to get something absorbent to deal with it he bypassed:
1 the towels on the rail in the bathroom
2 the whole airing cupboard full of towels in the bathroom
3 the loo roll, in the loo next to the bathroom
4 the towel in the guest room at the other end of the corridor
5 the kitchen hand towel at the near end of the kitchen (up 2 steps, along the landing, down the stairs and down 2 more steps from the bathroom - so not that near, but still closer to the spill than 6)

to reach his chosen item -

6 the kitchen roll at the far end of the kitchen.

bignosebignose · 12/10/2025 22:59

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/10/2025 22:45

Then there are the practicalities of dealing with uncontrolled bleeding every month - requiring foresight and fortitude and pragmatism and coping strategies.

Ah. Hmm. Yes.

I think that may have just given me some insight into a conversation on another thread about men and their (in)ability to carry out sequences of actions in a logical and efficient manner, particularly in response to an unexpected event.

I would never take the 6th easiest option¹ for mopping up a spill, because I always know where the nearest towel is (and the nearest disposable towel for spills that won't wash out). Because I've spent 40 years always keeping a note at the back of my mind where the nearest towel is.

I've spent 40 years having to plan according to the calendar, doing things on this day instead of that, here instead of there, with this bag instead of that one, in the black outfit not the pale blue one. Forward planning months in advance that I don't even think about.

¹ I counted and it actually was the 6th best, which amused me immensely.

What was the 6th best? I really didn’t want to ask but I can’t not ask because I hate not understanding things. Although I’m already starting to regret asking.

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