Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

Lothian has form, doesn't it? Can't remember what for but I'm sure it's cropped up. And is right next to Fife.

I'm very cross about chest feeding shite again. Scotland, Lothian NHS I think.

Quite, @FlowerUser !

And maybe we are obsessed with avoiding men's genitals, given the danger they offer pose.

Not forgetting 'obsessed with other people's genitals', though they're the ones always mentioning 'genital inspections'.

Also 'Why do you keep mentioning sex, you perverts?'.

That BBC article is a horrible read and I'm sad to say that I'm not at all surprised how these awful men behave. Glad that Ruth O'Grady has spoken out and hope it helps other women to realise what's going on.

I missed this thread when it was first up. Poor Ruth:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87q7g48y4po
This brave woman, Ruth O'Grady, has spoken out about what her vile husband and lots of other men put her through, facilitated by a swingers website. It must have been incredibly difficult for her to speak out as she will know the level of doubt and judgement she will now face.
These men. I know I say it every time but what the actual fuck is wrong with them?
Sending strength, love and gratitude to Ruth.

I hear you @moto748e - I have to do a lot of tongue-biting. I poked my head above the parapet long enough to comment on a FB discussion that I didn’t support a particular Dem candidate here in Maine because she was a staunch defender of allowing boys to play in girls sports in order to be “inclusive” and when asked why I gave them some relevant statistics and pointed them at HeCheated, and said I thought unfairness was a bad basis for policy. I didn’t get a pile-on, just rolled eyes from one person, and another who said their child was trans and I clearly didn’t understand their pain. I sympathised with the pain and struggle and said I hoped they realised that there were many wonderful ways to be male or female and that people should present in any way that made them comfortable, but that it was actually impossible to change sex. Nobody followed up on that one and I was quite happy not to get further involved in discussion.

Does anyone else feel increasingly like a conspiracy nut? Chatting to friends and acquaintances, it's always been easy enough to point to the obvious unfairness of men in women's sports, men in women's prisons, murdering men described as women on the BBC, even. So far, so straightforward.

But now, if you come out with stuff like "Amnesty International are a bunch of misogynists", or "You realise UK police forces/the Civil Service are totally captured by gender ideology?", most folk are going to be rolling their eyes at least, and thinking, what's this nutter on about now?

Just wanted to paste this somewhere

Urgent police appeal to find missing person from Oldham - Manchester Evening News https://share.google/G57I1S4EcAU40vIqc

I don't think it warrants it's own thread. Missing a few details that might be useful; age, height, sex. I hope Ajay is found safe.

JKR met Camilla in Scotland today, thought people might be interested.

I think when it comes to associations and there are few privacy and dignity concerns the argument that sometimes we just need a space without men is a good one.

I think you make a very good point. I think they find it a lot harder to argue with the privacy and dignity arguments where they can’t really handwave it away as a tiny risk. So that’s what I’ve always concentrated on, and I think that makes broadly the same point you are.

I haven’t read the thread so apologies if this has been discussed a lot before or is seen as not on topic. You can delete if necessary.

Whatever happened to single sex spaces being available just because that is what some women and girls want or prefer? The constant need to justify it through important safety and safeguarding frustrates me. It should be enough that sometimes we just don’t want men around.

I am not downplaying the more important concerns of safety and privacy these are essential. But same sex spaces (including men’s same sex spaces) are not a bad or wrong thing just in themselves.

I know it’s a fantasy to want to go back to those days when same sex spaces were common but it does get me riled up. I hope I explained myself as I’m not as articulate as others on this board.

Two of my colleagues have had that, Yorkshire. The pain they endured, and the extent of the operation(s) don’t bear thinking about. My sympathies, it’s horrid.

Do you ever feel fobbed off with the NHS because of your sex?

It doesn't matter what symptoms I've had, countless times I've been told it's just menstrual / peri / menopause related depending on my age and to deal with it.

I was convinced I had endometriosis and was told countless times that I didn't and it was just normal menstrual stuff that I had to deal with.

I then developed PMDD and had to fight and fight and fight to get treatment for that (it's just bad PMT, you need to learn to live with it etc). Eventually I managed to get help that resulted in my having my uterus and ovaries removed.

In recovery after the op, the surgeon came round to see how I was and said "did you know you had endometriosis as well? Your ovaries were covered in it."

Same here. I can't help thinking that the culture and values in the NHS have become increasingly prejudiced against women.

Stonewall workplace awards and NHS Rainbow Badges scheme to which the majority of NHS trusts have signed up, explicitly demanded the removal of the word woman from patient and staff policies and procedures, including maternity policies. The alternatives such as ‘uterus havers’ and ‘pregnant people’ are demeaning and dehumanising to all women but have also become deeply embedded in the psyche and culture of the NHS in the last 15 years or so. Words and language have huge influence in the culture of any workplace so I feel there must be a connection.

I'd think 'birthing people' to mean midwives, the doctors and the like.

Don't think so. It's used for mothers who want to be blokes, I'm afraid. Which is why I wondered about the numbers here.

Thanks Kuci.

I'm amused that it states 'And no. I won't leave.' but then, 735 posts and a day and half later, still hasn't returned to activity on the thread.

I read something similar, a report on the vaginal mesh scandal possibly, it just had an apologetic paragraph at the start along the lines of the use of 'women' also included a few other odds and ends (possibly not that exact wording) then cracked on without all the constant repetition.

I'd think 'birthing people' to mean midwives, the doctors and the like.

Apologies for the annoying .gif. I think AI is on a mission to fuck me over.