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Interesting case re PBs in Australia

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Justme56 · 09/04/2025 11:03

https://x.com/profpparkinson/status/1909863509779005644?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

If you are not on X this is the actual report

https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/FedCFamC1F/2025/211.html

Parents go through bad divorce. Boy lives with mother. Mother claims child is dysphoric and affirms as girl. Wants PB’s, father doesn’t so ends up in court.

It’s a really long read but covers lots of things from diagnosis, affirmation, conversion laws, mother’s actions (paragraphs 75+), Cass etc.

Seems the judge isn’t impressed - very critical of clinicians, child is moved to father’s custody and no more visits to the gender service.

https://x.com/profpparkinson/status/1909863509779005644?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

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GraduationDay · 09/04/2025 15:00

Maaate · 09/04/2025 14:36

Sadly it always does seem to be mothers that are the biggest "culprits" when it comes to anything like this - from the more innocuous crunchy/almond mums all the way up to antivax/Munchausen/transhausen via other "my child is special and unique because..." issues.

Yes, the whole gambit. Though somewhat fortunately for the kids the anti vax mums do seem to be in the opposite camp to the transhausen mums, so at least the trans kids seem to be vaccinated and the unvaccinated get to keep their puberty… small mercies… I do find myself clutching at straws to stay in the conversation at ‘mum’s dinners’ with my utterly normal, seemingly reasonably content children with no allergies or major food aversions, no ‘dys’(ins. Bladibla ia), no psychotropic medication regime, no corrective pronouns, no unusual name spellings, etc etc. The most I can offer is that DD sometimes gets quite cross with me about chores and DS might one day need braces. Gawd no wonder 70s mothers were so bored if that’s all they had to talk about…

Maaate · 09/04/2025 14:36

Sadly it always does seem to be mothers that are the biggest "culprits" when it comes to anything like this - from the more innocuous crunchy/almond mums all the way up to antivax/Munchausen/transhausen via other "my child is special and unique because..." issues.

GraduationDay · 09/04/2025 14:23

Thanks, super interesting and offers hope. Why does it so often seem to be the mothers who instigate this? What is it about women that has made us so vulnerable to this ideology with respect to children? I know many men seem to follow meekly along and the TRAs are mostly male, but why are so many mothers actively doing this to their kids? Attention? Approval? Community? You’d think a mother’s instinct to protect her children from harm would kick in somewhere, and override these other appeals. But somehow the alert system is being overridden by this. Like the Catholic Church did to mothers who sent their kids off to be altar boys. Or the scouts with their scout leaders who would with hindsight make anyone’s alarm bells go off. Somehow, these mothers have switched off their protective circuitry…

Zebracat · 09/04/2025 13:49

Fascinating. The judge made extensive use of the Cass report, and was absoutely clear about the damage pbs do. This is a child who has an enmeshed relationship with their mother, and absolutely no idea of the implications of giving up bone health and. all sexual function. But the judge did. I hope the child’s ok.

NotNatacha · 09/04/2025 12:30

I know two people with family in Australia. The families don’t know each other and live far apart. The way they live their lives is completely different. One family lives in a state capital, the father working for a government agency, the other lived off-grid until their children were approaching secondary school age.

Both families have two daughters of secondary school age and no sons. One daughter in each family identifies as a boy. The parents are supportive and if the grandparents (who are the ones I know) have misgivings they would not express them to family, friends or outsiders. They have mentioned their grandchildren’s name changes to me, though, in a neutral way.

They are the only people I know with connections in Australia, apart from another family who only have much younger children.

It’s probably an odd coincidence.

Chersfrozenface · 09/04/2025 11:44

Cynical me wonders how long it will be before the judge gets compulsorily retired.

Willandra · 09/04/2025 11:37

Interesting, thanks.

Helleofabore · 09/04/2025 11:25

It is also important to note that this was a Victorian case. And highly likely to be the Royal Melbourne Children's Hospital.

About time someone exposed them in court. And started to make Michelle Tefler accountable for her unquestioning adherence to ideology.

NotNatacha · 09/04/2025 11:23
  1. There are many wonderous and wonderful aspects of childhood, suffused with an innocence that passes with maturity and adulthood. Children may fervently believe, feel and, indeed, wish for many things which may well fall by the wayside as they develop from childhood into adulthood. At one end of a very broad spectrum, these may be innocuous, whilst, at the other end thereof, they may be deep-seated and genuinely felt or held. But, even then, they are still children, and their beliefs, feelings or wishes in childhood may have potentially grave ramifications for their future lives

paragraph 3 in the introduction to the judge’s reasons for judgment.

user9637 · 09/04/2025 11:15

Wow impressed by the judge really

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 09/04/2025 11:12

PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/04/2025 11:12

Puberty blockers.

💡thanks!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/04/2025 11:12

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 09/04/2025 11:10

What are PBs?

Puberty blockers.

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 09/04/2025 11:10

What are PBs?