John Oliver on trans athletes

The clarity and transparency from WoLF and Reem, compared with the obfuscation and smearing of women for dubious laughs from John Oliver. He was bad enough before but this is truly awful.

I see in a list of writers on the show is Josh Gondelman who is one of the reasons I barely listen to John’s former podcast The Bugle now as well. He’s publicly vocal in his dismissal of JK Rowling. And now it’s clear there’s at least one trans staffer on Oliver’s show the agenda they’re pushing is all too apparent.

i like JO but we will never agree on this subject. Made my hubby turn it off.

Grim misogynist continues being grim misogynist. He really hasn't learned a thing, he's far too comfortable in his bubble.

John Oliver one of those woke bros who is consistently on the wrong side of almost any issue, especially ones that demand nuance and complexity.

Quite surprising to see the American left doubling down on this despite how unpopular it is and how they know it played during the election. These people are completely nuts.

I think it will be fascinating to watch all the back peddling on this

Screen shots of Reem Asalem’s letter (I have deleted email addresses b/c I know MN don’t like them shared).

Reem Asalem also wrote to the show:

x.com/UNSRVAW/status/1908442325107286108?s=19&t=DWy2lBDOD3jyufzN68v8gg

Could Mr Oliver give his opinion on doping in sports please? I'd like particular reference to Lance Armstrong.

I can't believe I used to really respect and revere the likes of Oliver and John Stewart.

Also:

Adding this insightful email from WoLF to the fact checker for the Jon Oliver show. I found it quite interesting as a non-academic reply to some of the tropish questioning we see.

https://womensliberationfront.org/news/last-week-tonight-contacts-wolf-seeking-comment-on-womens-sports
https://archive.is/xfEqu

Particularly this part:

The requirement to accommodate 'trans inclusion' in sports is only being forced on one sex: women. Why is that? Why don't we see FIFA Men's World Cup teams flooded with women identifying as men, demanding to get on the pitch? Where are all the former female athletes, now 'transgender', in the NFL, AFL, Canadian hockey leagues, US basketball leagues, and heavyweight boxing championships? No women are walking off the field with men's medals. It's only men taking medals from women. We'd love to understand the mental pretzel people are operating within where they don't see this as sexist oppression. There is an absolute conflict with women's sex-based rights when gender ideology vaults 'transgender' as a new and supreme protected class over women and girls. Radical feminists always have known this was a problem and we've been pushing back for ages.

The framing of your questions indicates you seek to discredit SheWon.org because volunteers put it together. You question its accuracy and some of the ways it calculates the loss to women and girls. But you missed that sports authorities and organizations like the NCAA and IOC aren't compiling that data, as they've obliterated sex with gender identity. There is an implied sense of outrage in your questions - how dare women keep track of stolen sports titles!

That smacks of Progressive Misogyny.

You questioned why stats are being compiled on more than one medal lost when a male wins a women's competition. There's a ripple effect from introducing an element (men) to women's sports competition that should never have been there:

1. The female that would have been the winner, if not for a male competing, is now knocked into second place.
2. That knocks the second place female winner into third place.
3. Which then knocks the third place female athlete off the podium completely.

There are so few opportunities for female sports scholarships and monetary prizes that this male colonization of the tiny bit of terrain female sports occupies is particularly cruel. This is happening globally.

Progressive misogyny is misogyny, and as feminists, we reject it every bit as much as we reject restrictions on our reproductive rights, commercial sexual exploitation of women by men, and male violence against women.

Men have learned that they can enter women's sports by just saying they are women now. Some men game that. Other men try to expose the fallacy of 'inclusivity' in women's sports.

Humans can't change sex, but will absolutely game a system that seems tailor-made for them to do so. Southpark aptly illustrated how men will enter and dominate women's sports by saying they're now women in the "Go Strong Woman, Go" episode in 2019.

Men who know inclusion of males in women's sports under the banner of trans is a farce are trying to show the world just how idiotic forced 'inclusion' is. In 2023, male powerlifting coach Avi Silverberg entered the female competition to openly mock Canada's policy of letting any men who identify as a woman into women's sports. He was allowed to compete, and of course he dominated. He then gave numerous interviews to media precisely to expose how wrong it is to let men like him compete against women.

We play sports with our bodies, not our identities. We hosted a great speaker in October, Dr. Greg Brown, a sports medicine specialist at the University of Nebraska. His talk was "Males and female's bodies are different, and that matters in sports." You can see it here:
His research showed that even after taking opposite-sex hormones, trans-identifying males still outperformed top female athletes.

Summing up, there is just no fairness possible when males are allowed to compete with women in women's sports categories.

What about other categories besides sports on shewon.org?
Title IX in the USA was passed to give girls a chance to play sports. Before it passed, girls had no places to practice and compete. They had to wait until boys weren't using those spaces. Girls wore the hand-me-down jerseys of boy teams. Title IX made sports possible for girls. All kinds of activities for women and girls to enjoy and compete in have sprung up since then. The gain here in providing opportunities for women and girls being able to participate and achieve in all aspects of public life cannot be underestimated. This righted centuries of exclusion of women and girls. It's unbelievably ironic that males now seek to colonize all things female, and any objection by women is met with threats, silencing, and ostracization, mostly by men, which serves to exclude women and girls from public participation. To us, this is absolutely oppression of females, erupting in new form.

(Incidentally, it was because of this media request that it was discovered that D (Dee) Brent is a male researcher who claims to be a woman. Brent is one of the ‘fact checkers’ for John Oliver.)

I watched a large chunk of it Sam. You can watch it with the VPN set to the USA. I will copy and paste the fallacies he uses that I posted on the other thread.

From memory he used:

the Phelps argument
the ‘they are not ‘cancelled’ look at them now’ argument
the ‘mustn’t be too permanently injured they went on to win at another sport argument (despicable when you see this argument)
the case by case argument
the ‘it’s complicated’ argument
the ‘they just want to play/with their friends’ argument
the ‘they are children’ argument
the ‘but some female athletes are happy with including male people’ argument
the ‘the team wasn’t that good anyway’ argument
the ‘look at who is saying it’ argument
the ‘they don’t transition to win at sports’ argument
the ‘it’s a hard life’ argument
the sore loser argument
the not many argument featured
the female athletes are still winning
the ‘not all’ argument
the ‘it is cruel’ argument

And I only got two thirds through.

I particularly found his commentary about Payton MacNab to show exactly what type of man John Oliver is. Apparently, her life changing concussion, brain bleed and sight issues, are ripe for mocking because she then played softball a year after and did well.

But I think it is pretty clear just how misogynist John Oliver is after seeing this video.

I look forward to someone supporting all his claims though. It might bring up some new studies that we have not seen. That would be great.