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Signalbox · 06/04/2025 08:40

The hearing is scheduled for 7th-11th April at Canterbury County Court.

Tribunal Tweets will be following the case…

Live tweeting sessions Abbreviations
J - His Honour Judge Parker
HH - Harriet Haynes, claimant
RW - Robin White, claimant’s barrister
CC - Colman Coyle, claimant's solicitor
EBPF - English Blackball Pool Federation
PT - Paul Thomson, defendant
AG - Anna Goodwin, defendant
SC - Sarah Crowther KC, defendants’ barristers, and
SS - Sapandeep Singh Maini-Thompson
JRL - JR Levins LLP, defendants’ solicitor
JG - James Goodwin, witness for defendant

The original thread has been deleted for “breaking Mumsnet guidelines”. Not sure why but possibly “misgendering” or possibly making it too easy to find the crowdfund @mumsnet it would be good if you could let us know so this thread can stay up. Do we have to pretend that the Claimant is female?

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Datun · 10/04/2025 23:33

I should imagine that HQ are in the process of what might be called a fudge.

They get that pronouns are important and that various judges have said knock yourself out. But then certain people complain and say it makes this place difficult for them to post because it feels hostile.

it's probably less about pronouns in and of themselves, and more about how they make a certain people feel.

SidewaysOtter · 10/04/2025 22:41

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 22:04

@SidewaysOtter
There you would be wrong. Was deletion for misgendering - ie using sex-based pronouns as in normal English rather than remembering to take the time and effort to double-think.

Pronouns are indeed rohypnol.

Well that’s a nonsense because MN have themselves accepted that correct pronouns are OK - their own posts above have confirmed.

Complain!

Bannedontherun · 10/04/2025 22:34

@Signalbox no payment required to be covered by EQA regarding goods or services.

anyway more importantly Dave the expert said bosoms were an issue, as were fat bellies. Thing is one cannot as a sex characteristic control ones bosom size.

bellies are not a sex characteristic.

as pointed out by defence there really only needs to be an average of disadvantage or just one.

dave named quite a few….

Signalbox · 10/04/2025 22:06

SidewaysOtter · 10/04/2025 21:56

I don’t see why a post would be deleted for using correct pronouns based on biological sex. Posts up thread have set out the whole Forstater/Grainger test/WORIADS/GC views protected under EA2010 thing so posts shouldn’t be deleted on this basis.

I suppose a forum would have to count as the provision of a service. Maybe that might apply to those who are paying.

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Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 22:04

SidewaysOtter · 10/04/2025 21:56

I don’t see why a post would be deleted for using correct pronouns based on biological sex. Posts up thread have set out the whole Forstater/Grainger test/WORIADS/GC views protected under EA2010 thing so posts shouldn’t be deleted on this basis.

@SidewaysOtter
There you would be wrong. Was deletion for misgendering - ie using sex-based pronouns as in normal English rather than remembering to take the time and effort to double-think.

Pronouns are indeed rohypnol.

SidewaysOtter · 10/04/2025 21:56

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:08

Can anyone tell me the best way to query a deletion? Tx.

I don’t see why a post would be deleted for using correct pronouns based on biological sex. Posts up thread have set out the whole Forstater/Grainger test/WORIADS/GC views protected under EA2010 thing so posts shouldn’t be deleted on this basis.

moto748e · 10/04/2025 20:40

It's certainly not a conflation. That is not a thing.

lcakethereforeIam · 10/04/2025 20:37

I was just going to ask about 'Blackpool'! It's the sort of mis-spoke mistake I would make.

DuesToTheDirt · 10/04/2025 20:28

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:53

@SinnerBoy

https://archive.ph/6xLBW

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There's a couple of references to 'Blackpool' by RMW - is this an error by RMW, an error in the transcription, or a correct conflation of 'Blackball Pool'?

Bannedontherun · 10/04/2025 20:22

Dave said the physicist simulation was ridiculous because the break speed was 80mph, which is humanly impossible. I know as a player at much lesser speeds, where the ram is too hard and the cue is slightly bottom on the white then the ball will fly off the table and cause considerable chaos in a pub.

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 20:05

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:08

Can anyone tell me the best way to query a deletion? Tx.

It will probably be for not lying. Some tinpot despot will be apoplectic about the truth being uttered, I suspect.

I may be wrong. Maybe you called a man a woman. And the man is so upright and truthful that he cannot let a lie stand.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/04/2025 20:03

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 17:05

I suppose I’d better clarify (sic!) that I have no idea whatsoever whether or not it was the intention of the good PF to obfuscate, but that is what that dense scientific jargon does to a non scientist.

The concepts can be difficult to grasp, and I think Dr Dave did a masterclass in speaking plainly. And indeed, he was easily able to pick out and elucidate on the pertinent points in the good PF’s simulation.

Not just non-scientists. It can encompass other subject-matter experts in a different discipline and with whom you need to collaborate. Anyone outside your specific idiolect.

Specialized terminology reduces the number of citations of scientific papers

Words are the building blocks of communicating science. As our understanding of the world progresses, scientific disciplines naturally enrich their specialized vocabulary (jargon). However, in the era of interdisciplinarity, the use of jargon may hinder effective communication among scientists that do not share a common scientific background. The question of how jargon limits the transmission of scientific knowledge has long been debated but rarely addressed quantitatively. We explored the relationship between the use of jargon and citations, using 21 486 articles focusing on cave research, a multidisciplinary field particularly prone to terminological specialization, and where linguistic disagreement among peers is frequent. We demonstrate a significant negative relationship between the proportion of jargon words in the title and abstract and the number of citations a paper receives. Given that these elements are the hook to readers, we urge scientists to restrict jargon to sections of the paper where its use is unavoidable.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.2581

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:55

@SinnerBoy
There were two sessions this pm. The first two links go to that. Don't know what that weird third link is doing.

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:53

@SinnerBoy

https://archive.ph/6xLBW

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SinnerBoy · 10/04/2025 19:48

Bannedontherun · Today 19:37

Well just caught up and read sub stack. Dave nailed it really IMO

Could you link to it, please? I've trawled back through quite a few pages, but can't find it.

Thanks.

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:45

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:42

This is a post hopefully for MNHQ

Thanks. Have tried that.

murasaki · 10/04/2025 19:43

It will be, I was locked out of my account this evening for it. I've re read the policy and will be more circumspect in future.

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:42

This is a post hopefully for MNHQ

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:41

@Chrysanthemum5
It just says Message deleted by MNHQ and here's a link to Talk Guidelines
@CriticalCondition
I don't think it would be pronouns, but would like to know what it is.

I don't usually have problems on Mnet and am surprised at this.

Signalbox · 10/04/2025 19:39

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:08

Can anyone tell me the best way to query a deletion? Tx.

You could report your own post and just ask. Doesn’t need to be the post in question. Then they will email you with an explanation.

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Bannedontherun · 10/04/2025 19:37

Well just caught up and read sub stack. Dave nailed it really IMO

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 19:33

And @CriticalCondition is correct, it will be pronouns and they probably won't reinstate your post in that case. For some reason the pronouns of certain individuals are more important than other considerations

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 19:23

Mmmnotsure · 10/04/2025 19:08

Can anyone tell me the best way to query a deletion? Tx.

Well that didn't take long. Hmm

I'm not sure about the best way but others will know. I think there was some discussion at the beginning of the thread.

I am betting myself a large G&T it will be the pronouns you used. It's always the pronouns.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 19:21

@Mmmnotsure did you get a deletion message? It usually says what the deletion was for

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 19:12

At the beginning of cross-examination RMW asked Dr Alciatore how to pronounce his name. Dr A explained very clearly and politely and with good humour. Over the next couple of hours RMW then proceeded to mispronounce it using pretty much every possible variation except the right one.
Dr A was far too lovely to say anything.

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