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Signalbox · 06/04/2025 08:40

The hearing is scheduled for 7th-11th April at Canterbury County Court.

Tribunal Tweets will be following the case…

Live tweeting sessions Abbreviations
J - His Honour Judge Parker
HH - Harriet Haynes, claimant
RW - Robin White, claimant’s barrister
CC - Colman Coyle, claimant's solicitor
EBPF - English Blackball Pool Federation
PT - Paul Thomson, defendant
AG - Anna Goodwin, defendant
SC - Sarah Crowther KC, defendants’ barristers, and
SS - Sapandeep Singh Maini-Thompson
JRL - JR Levins LLP, defendants’ solicitor
JG - James Goodwin, witness for defendant

The original thread has been deleted for “breaking Mumsnet guidelines”. Not sure why but possibly “misgendering” or possibly making it too easy to find the crowdfund @mumsnet it would be good if you could let us know so this thread can stay up. Do we have to pretend that the Claimant is female?

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murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:46

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:44

He said he didn’t really know much about bridges before. He’s able to comment now, though.

Everyone knows about Bridges because Bridges and Ma Bridges made such a song and dance. So I call shenanigans on that.

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:44

He said he didn’t really know much about bridges before. He’s able to comment now, though.

tigertactics · 10/04/2025 12:44

Love the judge's last question where BH completely contradicted himself.

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:44

BH declining to venture an opinion on the effect of hormone cycles on strength in women.

puffyisgood · 10/04/2025 12:40

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:21

BH acknowledges that in absolute terms transwomen are still stronger than 'cis'women. But relatively they are weaker.

Yes. It makes no sense.

BH meant "relatively" to say that TW have a low power to weight ratio, eg they'd be bad at doing pull ups, where they have to lift their own body weight. the relevance of this to cue sports remains uncertain.

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:40

Just taking a step back from this bunkum, I’m not sure how many TW take hormones anyway. You don’t need to even for a GRC.

It is just straight up male figures then.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 12:39

As an aside the judgement in the FWS case will be handed down on the 16th April. That is the one saying what a woman is

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Signalbox · 10/04/2025 12:37

Someone said it upthread but it’s so jarring having the defence and the judge use trans ideological language and it’s not helping their case.

I wonder who Lynne Pinches legal team are. Hopefully NC is involved.

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murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:36

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 12:35

He seemed to imply that was a PhD study and only had one participant (the cyclist) so his study was much better.

He would say that, wouldn't he.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 12:35

He seemed to imply that was a PhD study and only had one participant (the cyclist) so his study was much better.

murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:34

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 12:33

BH said that his was the only study published on the effects of hormones on male sporting performance so I assume that is his experience

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But i thought Harper did that. Could be wrong though.

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:34

BH says it's to do with the equation of higher fat mass in TW with higher body weight.

I think.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/04/2025 12:33

murasaki · 10/04/2025 11:58

Why is a geologist appearing as the expert scientific witness on human bodies?

BH said that his was the only study published on the effects of hormones on male sporting performance so I assume that is his experience

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:32

RMW asking BH for evidence to support assertion that TW end up with lower relative strength than ciswomen.

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:29

Spectrum. Are we doing shots?

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:29

Is this ‘data’ from where a male who claims to be a woman rocks up and says ‘Oh, I am so feeble now, you wouldn’t believe it’. ‘I can’t lift anything a man could’. Knowing this was ‘research’ which would be used to say that trans identified males should be allowed into women’s sports. Rock solid.

murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:28

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:21

BH acknowledges that in absolute terms transwomen are still stronger than 'cis'women. But relatively they are weaker.

Yes. It makes no sense.

I've read it several times and still have no idea what he means. Or why he thinks the judge will find it a good addition to HH's case.

If they carry on shooting themselves in the foot like this they'll have no toes left by the end of the day.

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:22

There are some odd calculations going on here.

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:21

BH acknowledges that in absolute terms transwomen are still stronger than 'cis'women. But relatively they are weaker.

Yes. It makes no sense.

Rightsraptor · 10/04/2025 12:17

The crowdfunder now stands at approximately £12.5k

murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:17

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:16

Damn autocorrect. Explore it. Though explode works too.

I like explode.

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:16

Damn autocorrect. Explore it. Though explode works too.

Cailleach1 · 10/04/2025 12:15

How on earth is that fellow sitting there giving ‘expert’ opinions like this?

CriticalCondition · 10/04/2025 12:14

murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:13

Hang on, so still having higher levels of testosterone than nearly all women, and also having been through male puberty, Blair is still weaker than me?

Yup. I do hope Counsel will explode this.

murasaki · 10/04/2025 12:13

Hang on, so still having higher levels of testosterone than nearly all women, and also having been through male puberty, Blair is still weaker than me?

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