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US Fencing. Woman Disqualified for Refusing to Fence Against Trans Fencer

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Arran2024 · 02/04/2025 19:49

Apparently the trans woman fenced previously for the men's team then switched https://x.com/icons_women/status/1907487751664247154

https://x.com/icons_women/status/1907487751664247154

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IrnBruAndDietCoke · 29/10/2025 07:44

Man who believes something fundamentally untrue (that men can be women) in “lied about stuff” shocker.
Thanks for keeping this thread updated!

DabOfPistachio · 29/10/2025 07:33

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 05:36

Just updating the thread with the latest news .

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/usa-fencing-chair-replaced-former-head-cites-lawsuits-decision-no-seek-re-election

USA Fencing head replaced, former chair cites 'lawsuits' in decision to not seek re-election

Jackson Thompson 27 oct 2025

“USA Fencing has a new chair after former chair Damien Lehfeldt announced he would not seek re-election over the weekend.”

and

“In Lehfeldt's announcement that he would not seek re-election, he cited "lawsuits" and "death threats" as a reason for his decision. Lehfeldt has been at the center of controversy for USA Fencing dating back to April when women's fencer Stephanie Turner went viral for kneeling in protest of a transgender fencer, and was disqualified. “

The lawsuits being related to the below.

“Ahead of the May 7 congressional hearing, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) subcommittee hearing on transgender athletes, Lehfeldt made a series of posts on his Instagram Stories that were later blown up and used against him on the committee floor. In one post, which went viral before the hearing, he responded to a question that asked whether he was "okay" with putting female fencers at a disadvantage with a simple, brash answer: "Yeah."

During the hearing, Lehfeldt admitted multiple times that he regretted answering that way and the question required a "more-nuanced" response.

At one point during the hearing, Lefheldt confessed to falsifying an email from a fictitious fencing mother, "Dorothy," who disagreed with him, and compared those with similar views to a Ku Klux Klan "grand wizard."

"It was a poor attempt at humor," Lehfeldt said. “

There is much more in the article.

Interesting about the falsifying the email. If he's genuinely getting abuse, why fake it? If that were true he'd have plenty of real examples.

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 05:36

Just updating the thread with the latest news .

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/usa-fencing-chair-replaced-former-head-cites-lawsuits-decision-no-seek-re-election

USA Fencing head replaced, former chair cites 'lawsuits' in decision to not seek re-election

Jackson Thompson 27 oct 2025

“USA Fencing has a new chair after former chair Damien Lehfeldt announced he would not seek re-election over the weekend.”

and

“In Lehfeldt's announcement that he would not seek re-election, he cited "lawsuits" and "death threats" as a reason for his decision. Lehfeldt has been at the center of controversy for USA Fencing dating back to April when women's fencer Stephanie Turner went viral for kneeling in protest of a transgender fencer, and was disqualified. “

The lawsuits being related to the below.

“Ahead of the May 7 congressional hearing, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) subcommittee hearing on transgender athletes, Lehfeldt made a series of posts on his Instagram Stories that were later blown up and used against him on the committee floor. In one post, which went viral before the hearing, he responded to a question that asked whether he was "okay" with putting female fencers at a disadvantage with a simple, brash answer: "Yeah."

During the hearing, Lehfeldt admitted multiple times that he regretted answering that way and the question required a "more-nuanced" response.

At one point during the hearing, Lefheldt confessed to falsifying an email from a fictitious fencing mother, "Dorothy," who disagreed with him, and compared those with similar views to a Ku Klux Klan "grand wizard."

"It was a poor attempt at humor," Lehfeldt said. “

There is much more in the article.

USA Fencing head replaced, former chair cites 'lawsuits' in decision to not seek re-election

Paralympic fencer Dr. Scott Rodgers PLY took over as USA Fencing chair following months of controversy over transgender policies and congressional hearings.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/usa-fencing-chair-replaced-former-head-cites-lawsuits-decision-no-seek-re-election

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 23/07/2025 08:56

Good news! Congratulations to women in US fencing. Every step back to sanity, like this, like this encourages other sports to end the cheating too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2025 07:16

Great to hear!

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 22/07/2025 21:02

Helleofabore · 22/07/2025 18:50

US Fencing’s new policy. From 1st August. At last.

https://www.usafencing.org/transgender-and-nonbinary-policy

“Event Categories
USA Fencing sanctioned events that are not gender-mixed will offer two categories - Women’s and Men’s event categories. The following guidelines should be applied to each category.

Women’s category: Athletes who are of the female sex, provided all other entry criteria have been met

Men’s category: Open to all athletes not eligible for the Women’s Category, including transgender women, transgender men, non-binary and intersex athletes, and cisgender male athletes, provided that all other entry criteria have been met.”

And hopefully all sports will follow suit

outofdate · 22/07/2025 19:59

The good news just keeps on coming😀

Londonmummy66 · 22/07/2025 19:37

Christinapple · 04/04/2025 23:30

Why did she wait until the en guarde before taking the knee, instead of raising her concerns before then?

Isn't fencing a sport where men and women routinely compete against each other up to the highest levels?

Not its not - they may train together and fence each other at club sessions in smaller clubs but it is often the case that the men have to pull their punches a bit. There are rules about not hitting too hard but if you get into eg sabre the men can do quite a bit of damage even when they're trying to be gentle.

FlowchartRequired · 22/07/2025 19:01

The female people who identify as non-binary or as transmen (who have not taken cross-sex hormones) would be better off competing as their sex and not as their 'identity' under that policy.

Helleofabore · 22/07/2025 18:50

US Fencing’s new policy. From 1st August. At last.

https://www.usafencing.org/transgender-and-nonbinary-policy

“Event Categories
USA Fencing sanctioned events that are not gender-mixed will offer two categories - Women’s and Men’s event categories. The following guidelines should be applied to each category.

Women’s category: Athletes who are of the female sex, provided all other entry criteria have been met

Men’s category: Open to all athletes not eligible for the Women’s Category, including transgender women, transgender men, non-binary and intersex athletes, and cisgender male athletes, provided that all other entry criteria have been met.”

USA Fencing Transgender and Non-Binary Policy

UPDATED July 18, 2025 — Effective Aug. 1 , 2025 USA Fencing supports fencing for all. In July 2025, the U.S. Olympic & Paralympic Committee (USOPC), through its updated Athlete Safety Policy, directed every National Governing Body to align athlete‑elig...

https://www.usafencing.org/transgender-and-nonbinary-policy

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/04/2025 19:33

Arran2024 · 10/04/2025 16:48

It looks like it's his team that is doubling down. I think US fencing have changed their policies.

I was going by what I read in the link

"USA Fencing remains committed to fostering an inclusive, respectful community for everyone in our sport. We believe in the principle of creating a safe communities where all athletes, and community members, have a place," the statement read.

Arran2024 · 10/04/2025 16:48

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/04/2025 15:00

USA Fencing are doubling down though, so half a victory maybe.

It looks like it's his team that is doubling down. I think US fencing have changed their policies.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/04/2025 15:00

USA Fencing are doubling down though, so half a victory maybe.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/04/2025 22:10

Good stuff.👏👏👏

TheKeatingFive · 09/04/2025 22:05

Good news

Helleofabore · 07/04/2025 10:02

Helleofabore · 07/04/2025 06:40

Apparently this featured on John Oliver’s show overnight.

https://x.com/blueatlgeorgia/status/1909113171782017451?s=46

Apparently, he spent considerable time discussing male inclusion in female sport while hypocritically derisorily accusing Fox News for highlighting Stephanie Turner’s fencing protest in the light of the stock market responding to Trump.

I wonder if there will be a transcript released. It is rather interesting as an aside that the production team reached out to WoLF about the issue and it turns out that D (Dee) Brent is a male fact checker on the team. And Brent claims to be a woman. And was fact checking for this segment.

https://womensliberationfront.org/news/last-week-tonight-contacts-wolf-seeking-comment-on-womens-sports

I watched most of the long segment. Oliver used most of the weak and false fallacies. From memory he used:

the Phelps argument
the ‘they are not ‘cancelled’ look at them now’ argument
the ‘mustn’t be too permanently injured they went on to win at another sport argument (despicable when you see this argument)
the case by case argument
the ‘it’s complicated’ argument
the ‘they just want to play/with their friends’ argument
the ‘they are children’ argument
the ‘but some female athletes are happy with including male people’ argument
the ‘the team wasn’t that good anyway’ argument
the ‘look at who is saying it’ argument
the ‘they don’t transition to win at sports’ argument
the ‘it’s a hard life’ argument
the sore loser argument
the not many argument featured
the female athletes are still winning
the ‘not all’ argument
the ‘it is cruel’ argument

And I only got two thirds through.

viques · 07/04/2025 09:47

Not sure if this link will work. There’s a photo of the elegantly gowned Dee, and a well worded tweet from JKR , from 2024, about John Oliver

https://x.com/leakylike/status/1908812120256324047

viques · 07/04/2025 09:37

NoBinturongsHereMate · 07/04/2025 08:05

That is a fabulous letter. ❤to Reem.

viques · 07/04/2025 09:33

Helleofabore · 07/04/2025 06:40

Apparently this featured on John Oliver’s show overnight.

https://x.com/blueatlgeorgia/status/1909113171782017451?s=46

Apparently, he spent considerable time discussing male inclusion in female sport while hypocritically derisorily accusing Fox News for highlighting Stephanie Turner’s fencing protest in the light of the stock market responding to Trump.

I wonder if there will be a transcript released. It is rather interesting as an aside that the production team reached out to WoLF about the issue and it turns out that D (Dee) Brent is a male fact checker on the team. And Brent claims to be a woman. And was fact checking for this segment.

https://womensliberationfront.org/news/last-week-tonight-contacts-wolf-seeking-comment-on-womens-sports

I am quietly putting the phrase “mental pretzel” in my toolbox.

Great response to a seemingly innocent but goady request for “information” - otherwise known as ammunition.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 07/04/2025 08:15

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2025/04/06/transgender-row-fencer-stephanie-turner-interview/

Sorry, can't archive it. She says she protested in the way she did specofocally to get a black card- because that triggers an investigation.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2025 06:40

Apparently this featured on John Oliver’s show overnight.

https://x.com/blueatlgeorgia/status/1909113171782017451?s=46

Apparently, he spent considerable time discussing male inclusion in female sport while hypocritically derisorily accusing Fox News for highlighting Stephanie Turner’s fencing protest in the light of the stock market responding to Trump.

I wonder if there will be a transcript released. It is rather interesting as an aside that the production team reached out to WoLF about the issue and it turns out that D (Dee) Brent is a male fact checker on the team. And Brent claims to be a woman. And was fact checking for this segment.

https://womensliberationfront.org/news/last-week-tonight-contacts-wolf-seeking-comment-on-womens-sports

https://x.com/blueatlgeorgia/status/1909113171782017451?s=46