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Message for all parents of kids in Scouts! (Ireland)

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Chariothorses · 28/03/2025 11:20

This post is to bring all mums' attention to the decision by Scouts to let male leaders supervise girls undressing, in bed etc if the men say they are women.

“The head of safeguarding, Steven Maclean, confirmed explicitly that Scouters would be counted as their chosen gender and that a transwoman would count as a female leader.”https://gript.ie/jmg-scouting-ireland-transgender/

No child who has experienced CSA, including by men who say they are trans, would ever feel safe in Scouts under this policy. On twitter the children of transitioners group have raised safeguarding concerns and recommended parents 'read CoTs' submission to the UK government 'self ID' consultation -esp. points 4 & 8'. link here:
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/02/27/gra-inquiry-submission/

You can also find further relevant info here
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up/
and here
transcrimeuk.com/

EXCLUSIVE: Scouting Ireland embroiled in transgender row - Gript

“Scouting Ireland’s position is committed to proactively seeking equality of outcomes for all young people."

https://gript.ie/jmg-scouting-ireland-transgender

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TickingAlongNicely · 28/03/2025 14:49

It means we do exactly the same job. There is no requirement for there to be male and female leaders present like it appears to be in Ireland.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 14:46

TickingAlongNicely · 28/03/2025 12:41

In fact that article is completely irrelevant to UK Scouting which doesn't distinguish between male and female leaders.

The UK Scouts policy of allowing children to chose facilities "that they feel comfortable with" isn't perfect however.

What does that mean Ticking - "UK Scouting doesn't distinguish between male & female leaders?" They can't tell the difference between men and women?

TickingAlongNicely · 28/03/2025 12:41

In fact that article is completely irrelevant to UK Scouting which doesn't distinguish between male and female leaders.

The UK Scouts policy of allowing children to chose facilities "that they feel comfortable with" isn't perfect however.

TickingAlongNicely · 28/03/2025 12:31

Just to point out that Scouting Ireland and Scouts UK are different organisations.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 12:29

It tells you a lot about the Scouts policy of continually ignoring safeguarding despite their appalling history of abuse of children by adults.
The idea that men like Maclean are so determined to breach the boundary that ensures girls are not forced to undress, shower and sleep alongside random men speaks volumes. Voyeurism is a criminal offence. As is indecent exposure. Yet the Scouts are openly decriminalising these crimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-68278383

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12378248/scouts-porn-gabby-smith-melrose-suspended/

Edited to thanks COTs for drawing attention to this.

Ian Butcher

Ex-Scout leader from Ipswich sentenced over secret filming

Ian Butcher is given a 20-month sentence after admitting filming children and adults.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-68278383

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