Anyone else worried Trump’s advocacy of gender-critical views taints and discredits them?

Bizarre, then, that Trump's team has nominated, and Trump has approved, the appointment of women to one third of the posts in his cabinet.

Are you saying that knowing the facts around biological sex is an “outdated orthodoxy”?

I'd say he's "anti trans" because that is what most voters are. Populists mirror the public mood, and populists also push back against outdated but prevailing orthodoxies. Most people understand the reality of sex...he's just voicing it.

I couldn't care less about Trump. I'm British. Do transactivists ever worry about the political leaders they get associated with, or the murderers, rapists, paedophiles and violent thugs?

(Fwiw, I don't particularly think Trump is the bogeyman some people need him to be, he's a human being and I'm sure he wrongly thinks he's doing the right thing from good motivations just like all the other useless politicians who shouldn't be in the pidition they are. Look at what our supposedly good and left-wing government is doing to disabled people, I'm mortally ashamed that I used to be a Labour member)

We've already seen Labour adopting positions and policies that might appeal to Tory or Reform voters, along with some of the more ideological stuff around farmers, private schools, train drivers etc. Starmer will ultimately, it seems, go with the prevailing wind...and if that is to move away from Sef ID and all the rest of it, he most likely will.

He doesn’t want to protect your rights as a woman. He wants to be able to grab your pussy and have you barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

I understood what he said and that’s what matters to me.

Motive and intent are so important. He isn't anti-trans because he's concerned about the erosion of women's rights or the infiltration of men into children's spaces. He's almost certainly in favour of men getting access to young girls and violent men getting access to vulnerable women.

He's anti-trans because he hates anything that isn't heterosexual and anything that isn't hateful.

He isn't gender critical and he does not share the views of gender critical feminists. It just so happens that a few aspects of these totally different beliefs align.

And when you look at the EO’s they only bring the USA somewhat in line with the current UK guidance and policies.

The polls in the UK and the USA both show these are issues that voters are concerned about and the polls show clearly what the population wants to happen. Sadly, any political party (such as Reform) will take advantage of this to win votes.

There are now elected members of Congress and state governments who are part of the Democratic Party and who are outspoken that these issues need to be discussed and a few vote to protect children and female single sex provisions. I hope that this number will grow and more Democrats force the changes just as Rosie and Antonian and others have done.

However, Reform will add their voice here no doubt. What then?

Will Labour be aligned with not only the Tories but Reform as well?

Will this polarised, tribal discussion point disappear?

The pushback against genderism began, in earnest, in the UK. Briitish women, and men, have been leading the way - and american campaigners have taken their cues from the movement here.

What are now termed' gender critical' views are actually mainstream factual acknowledgments of reality......and it comes as no surprise that they will be taken up by any party that has issues with modern identity politics and those post modernistic theories developed on american university campuses.

Unfortunately, because Trump is so aggressive in his approach he automatically generates opposition to everything he does.......and that includes the push back by 'progressive/liberals' in the U.S. to his measures on males in women's sports etc...it also means that the progressive liberal madness could continue in Canada after the upcoming election, as now the public have united around what they perceive as the bigger and more immediate threat posed by american 'Me First' approaches.

Though, in the long run, the momentum is all on the side of sex realism and trans ideology will continue to unravel around the world...though it still needs a push and a dedicated effort.

American dollars were funding much of it.....though USAID ( to the likes of Stonewall) has now been cut.

I can't believe you said he wants to protect your rights as a woman. The man gives fuck all consideration to your rights or any woman's rights. Here's the epitome of a misogynist.
He doesn't recognise the harm transgender bollocks places on women. He just knows it's a vote winner with his core voters.
He is a populist and will say what is needed to get into power.
He is a rapist, who welcomed the Tates to his country. He supports anti abortion policies.
This is why his stance on gender politics is so damaging for GC women. That people align Trump with us.

Let's get something straight. Trump is not gender critical. I'm not even sure he's anti trans. He's just pro himself, and pro anything he thinks is useful to him in some way.

The overwhelming majority of people don't think that trans women should be competing in women's sports and a smaller majority of people don't think they should be using women's toilets.

People who hold these entirely mainstream views are being labelled bigots and transphobes by the Democrats (and the political left and centre left in most western countries), who seem incapable of reading the fucking room.

Trump might be a nasty, ignorant piece of shit on many way, but he is an excellent strategist. He doesn't care about sounding intelligent and cultivated and refined, or like he's thought through the issues at length and come to a considered conclusion (like JK Rowling, for example) because he knows that's not what wins elections.

Michael Moore wrote an amazing essay in 2016 called "Why Trump will win" and he explained which states Trump needed to win in order to win the election, and how he was going to do it. Almost everything Michael Moore predicted in that essay happened almost exactly as he said it would. Trans issues weren't a hot topic in 2016 but they are now, and so this is really no different. He'll have identified that in certain states, clamping down on trans stuff will get enough voters to come out and tick the "Trump" box to get him over the line, and that in certain other states, forcing the Democrats into an absurd position where they have to say, "You can have a penis and still be a woman and compete in women's sports and if you believe otherwise you're a horrible bigot" will at least make a lot of would-be Democrat voters to stay at home on election day.

He certainly doesn't care about women, or women's sports. And if he thought that "women can have penises" was a popular viewpoint, that is the position he would take. He only cares about his own pursuit of power.

And he is fundamentally a troll, so now he's won a second term he's really going hell for leather with all these anti-woke policies to make the libs cry.

What the Democrats really need to do at this point is STFU about trans issues, accept that they have lost this one, go back to campaigning vocally about issues more people actually agree with them on, and when the next election campaign comes round (which is very soon), focus all their attention on those issues and do precisely nothing to reverse these measures taken by Trump.

But they are too stupid and un self aware to do that, so I expect they will lose the next election too. And the next Republican president might well be even scarier than Trump.

Trump is not gender critical. His grab-em-by-the-pussy aggressive sexism is totally opposed to gender criticism. Opinions aren't a binary spectrum from left to right and not everyone who disagrees with thing "A" does so for the same reasons or thinks unanimously thing "B" instead.

Trump knows that humans can't change sex. He is also in agreement with the majority view of which way is down, and can be reasonably relied upon to be able to correctly identify that dark sky = night and blue sky = day. Knowing that humans cannot change sex does not make you Gender Critical.

To be gender critical is to totally reject the sexist assumptions that certain kinds of personality, taste and behaviour intrinsically belong with one sex or the other. Trump doesn't believe that, and is totally in agreement with the trans movement on that.

"I doubt whether Trump has any personal views on the issue. I doubt whether he understands half the words in the EOs."

If he had read and understood the EO he wouldn't have referred to 'two genders' after signing it.

It's clear that he signed many EOs without even pretending to read them.

This angle seems to have entirely passed my BBC and Guardian follower parents by, if that makes anyone feel any better. Were his early moves widely reported in the UK?

You don't have to be a narcissistic megalomaniac to know what male and female mean.

Surprising that anyone would even think so, or try to imply it.

1/10. You got one point for writing.

It would only taint sex realism in the minds of the terminally stupid, and I’m not bothered by what they think anyway.

We have been subjected to at least a thread of day saying that GC women are supporters of trump/right wing and thus our views are discredited

So yes I am feeling aggressive about it! We’ve fought for years in this country to turn the tide of TRA. We’ve been bullied, vilified, harrassed, mocked, patronised and now when we’ve managed to push back hard enough to be noticed, we’re told that we’re trump enablers or supporters just because he’s realised (unlike the democrats) there are votes in keeping men out of women’s sports

aggressive? I’m absolutely bloody furious!

I doubt whether Trump has any personal views on the issue. I doubt whether he understands half the words in the EOs.

I'll tell you who does have views, though. Lots of Americans. Relatives of girls deprived of sports prizes and places on teams and scholarships. Relatives of girls forced to shared toilets and changing rooms with boys (because that's transgirls are, and everyone knows it). People worried about their young family members being medicalised and operated in, to the detriment of their health. People angry that the costs of health insurance are inflated even further by the provision of hormones and surgeries to "transitioners". People who find out about incidents like the WiSpa debacle and are incensed.

Trump's team are behind the EOs. They wrote the EOs. They know what appeals to a very large number of voters.

The thing is though. It is also possible that Trump

a) is a politician who sees a way to win power and

b) a sexually abusive man and

c) a person who can see the need to protect female single sex provisions and to ensure children are protected from undergoing experimental medical treatments that have no evidence for improving mental health outcomes and can be argued is only to modify their bodies to suit an identity based on a philosophical belief.

And c) doesn’t change a) and b) and c) is a universal belief that crosses political boundaries boundaries. The polls in the UK and the USA all show that the majority of the population supports c) across all parties. Yet the Democratic Party won’t even support talking to women and detransitioners.

Isn’t it ridiculous that Trump was allowed by the Democratic Party to exploit these issues showing the Democratic party to be closed for discussion and evidence and not able to listen to women, detransitioners and their electorates?

I don’t support Trump 😂 and don’t know anyone that does. Not that I have to explain why to anyone.

The fact that the US President agrees with me and wants to protect my rights as a woman is welcome. He recognises the absolute harms that transgender ideology and propaganda has had on women’s rights and wants to protect our children’s futures from being indoctrinated into believing they can actually change sex.
If anyone disagrees with his proposals then they are part of the problem.

Anyone with a brain knows that Trump only does things for his own benefit or to piss off those people he considers his ‘enemies’. He still has as much contempt for women as he always has and the fact that he has done ONE thing that could possibly benefit women is a total coincidence.

Hitler was a dog lover, I am a dog lover, it doesn’t mean I endorse Hitler, do you see how this works?

Trump is Trump. Trump knew what would be vote winning. I don’t think there are many people who are campaigning to get sex prioritised over gender where it needs to be that think Trump is more than a man who will use whatever he can to personally gain more power.

Wouldn’t it be great if the Democratic Party listened to women and were the ones to find equitable solutions for women? But they didn’t. They doubled down and I don’t believe they even spoke to women’s groups about the topic.

And watching what has happened to Jonah Wheeler who has listened to women and to detransitioners and how his Democrat colleagues and constituents have treated him, the chilling effect is that it will take some incredible bravery for any Democratic Party elected politician or candidate to vote in support of any bill that protects children, female sports and other female single sex provisions.

And it has probably been said, but this tribal and polarised view about people who are campaigning for women’s needs being ‘aligned’ with Trump in general is like declaring that all vegetarians should take on Hilter’s views or take responsibility on everything else Hitler did.

I agree with your concerns except the bit about thinking people. Hopefully thinking people will understand he was just trying to score points by implementing the EOs, he doesn’t actually hold gc views himself.