Anyone else worried Trump’s advocacy of gender-critical views taints and discredits them?

The Tate brothers have dual UK/US citizenship so have every right to go there.

And anyway, as of 3 days ago they are back in Romania.

He may well be protecting our rights inadvertently or by accident but the outcome is the same. I know exactly what he is and he is loathsome, but if anything good can come out of this for women in the US, and as a knock on effect for us in the UK, we are in no position to turn it down, because let’s face it, the Democrats are doing absolutely nothing to protect or enhance women’s rights are they? They’re cheerleaders for trans ideology.

The Tate brothers have dual UK/US citizenship so have every right to go there.

I think you may be in danger of allowing your understandable disgust of Trump to blind you to any possible benefits to women. Sometimes it’s the outcome that matters and not how you got there. We didn’t and can’t vote for Trump and I wouldn’t even if it were possible, but I wouldn’t vote for the Democrats either, I don’t vote for people who tell me I’m a bigot for believing in biological facts.

I think voters are also fundamentally interested in themselves and the people they care about.

And whilst minority rights are undoubtedly important, if you're a straight white person who may be quite underprivileged in many ways and you look at a party's manifesto and it's all about LGBTQ+ this and BIPOC that, it starts to look like a fairly long list of other people who are considered more important than you.

That's why "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you" was so inspired.

What @LadyBracknellsHandbaggsaid, exactly.

7% of voters voted for / against Brexit on the basis of actual EU related issues. That's on both sides of the debate.

The official Vote Leave actively and openly have admitted that their campaign strategy was to tap into wider voter dissatisfaction - that includes everything from bins and pot holes to immigration policy.

The Brexit vote was known to be a watershed in terms of have international politics has played out. And it was nearly ten years ago now.

Yet so many people have not caught up with how the political landscape has changed and why voters vote the way they do.

Then COVID happened and compounded it.

Voters in the UK certainly are more likely to vote AGAINST someone than in a most positive way FOR someone. This caught the Labour party by surprise at the last election. They thought they'd have a resounding victory with everyone wanting them in power, and whilst they've managed to get a shed load of seats this election, their margin of victory is wafer thing. The reception has been luke warm at best. And incumbent governments tend to lose ground at subsequent elections.

This is due to a feeling of general mismanagement at local and national level - something again reflected in the US. And the response to that is to have an attitude of 'things are terrible so I might as well vote for radical change because it can't possibly get worse than this', rather than people voting FOR whatever changes are proposed. Most people don't even look too deeply at policy.

The trans issue therefore stands out particularly badly, and is somewhat unique, because you don't have to have an in-depth understanding of policy. It's easy to know you are being trained at work or seeing in sport or on TV that you are being told to ignore what you can see with your eyes and support an untruth. It gets under the skin and annoys people in a way that hospitals, or housing or jobs don't.

And yes it's a trust issue at it's core too because it feeds into this sense of mismanagement and corruption at the heart of established politics.

Until other parties can get to grips with this issue they are screwed and they don't seem, even after nearly ten years, to be fully grasping the nature of the problem...

Voters may not be interested in trans issues but they are interested in fairness, women's rights etc. It depends how you frame the question.

And it is becoming a culture war between those who see themselves as part of an educated elite - concentrated in education and academia, tech, media and government - and everyone else. The Republicans just widened their base.

The problem is in your comprehension of what is being said. If you subscribe to any belief system, political party or ideology 100% with no room for debate, you have a problem. And we have a problem for exactly that reason with trans ideology.

Donald Trump is a revolting, misogynistic, narcissistic man, to whom I am unequivocally opposed, and I believe that most women on this thread who are thought to be ‘GC’ think the same. He doesn’t care about women or our rights, but if he happens to accidentally contribute to bring about the downfall of this regressive, insidious, harmful ideology then I for one will welcome it, but it certainly won’t make me think he is any less loathsome.

By the way, we are not ‘normal women’, we’re just women, and in no way have anything in common with men who ‘identify’ as women. People can’t change sex, it is binary and immutable.

I agree @MissScarletInTheBallroom

Trump is so bad that the Democrats should have wiped the floor with him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Their stance on trans issues among other things just shows how hopelessly out of touch they are.

Trump won because he's a strategist who identified the Democrats' weak spots and milked them for all they were worth. This was one of them.

It doesn’t matter that most voters see trans issues as low priority. That cuts both ways as they don’t understand why politicians are behaving so absurdly over them. The they/them ads did in fact play well in swing states, so they did a reasonable job.

They don't believe it. No one does.

Trump is not “gender-critical.” He’s sexist.

I don't think they're intelligent. If they were they wouldn't believe men are women.

That’s a lazy response. Both sides weren’t great, right?

There was much in play there. Misogyny. Ingrained racism. That’s just for starters. I don’t believe gender issues were even high on the list of voter priorities, were they? Even though there was Republican meme targeting they/them, I don’t think it made the impact with the type of voters they hoped it would.

It’s predictable rhetoric.

Saying Trump is GC is nonsense. He’s a populist doing populist things, not aiming to dismantle gender stereotypes and sexism.

Sometimes a populist action coincides with the aims of another group. That doesn’t make them the same. It doesn’t make them allies nor motivated by the same issues.

Many Hindu people are vegetarian. Hindu, Jain and Buddhist sacred texts use the swastika. This doesn’t make Hitler Hindu, does it?

Not an American teenager so no.

I would say it’s akin to a religious belief. Rationality doesn’t come into it.

Yes, the U.S.A is a very different country. It's culture is rooted in what led to its creation and the principles that arose from that ( religion, the frontier spirit, the rugged individual, but also its roots in slavery and the plantation system etc).

And it is still a relatively young culture; certainly compared to those in Europe. But because it is such a vast country, with a huge population, and with such large mineral reserves it can throw its weight around.

European cultures have been through so many more challenges, more reformations, have experienced many wars on their soil; have suffered invasions, shifting boundaries, rise and fall of empires.........and so have evolved quite differently. People like JD Vance just come across as culturally ignorant - in applying american models and standards to Europe - when they don't really fit.

No, I don't worry about @PotteringPondering. Trump is not gender Critical.

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No need to use ‘normal’ to describe women, we just ‘are’
But transwomen are MEN that crave acceptance as women but as we all know, that’s an impossible dream.

In a nutshell.

Who cares who is “blamed”? Sort it the fuck out. I do blame the left, particularly in this country, as I don’t live in the U.S. The right are doing what everyone expected, aren’t they. I did not expect the left worldwide to betray women and girls and promote absurd, toxic nonsense in the way it has. I will not support it.

I disagree that "Nobody, regardless of their level of intelligence, believes that men can become women". The medical industry, media, various education bodies especially universities, charities, businesses have been deliberately feeding this narrative to vulnerable autistic kids for years and they got some of them believing enough to permanently sterilise and mutilate themselves.
It is a matter of personal integrity to not parrot lies, especially when they are actually very harmful. Intelligence doesn't come into it, it's a character defect.

I think the Democrats are to blame for not winning the election. If they were less shit, Trump wouldn't be in power.