Anyone else worried Trump’s advocacy of gender-critical views taints and discredits them?

If we accept "I think therefore I am" as a truism then comments like this rather suggest their speakers don't, in fact, exist.

I expect Trump also believes in gravity.

Should I review my position on that because of him? 🤔

No. Believing that there are two sexes and you're one or the other and that's what makes you a man or a woman is the default view. So it's bound to sit alongside all sorts of other opinions and be found in all sorts of character types. I can't imagine anyone suddenly reviewing their stance on that because Trump believes it. Anymore than they'd become a naturist because he wears clothes.

I don't think Trump has much, if any, of an issue w gay people in his private life.

But it is incorrect to say that Trump has never spoken against gay marriage. In 2015, he told CNN he supported traditional marriage, presumably meaning not gay marriage.

More importantly, In February 2016, he said he wanted to appoint judges to the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-marriage-equality_n_56af63c8e4b00b033aafb496

He seems to have changed his mind since then, although the judges he's appointed probs would support turning over Obergefell.

Her and Netflix fiction writers…

Esther's got all the dirt.

This was so odd. Why is Ester Rantzen dictating what policies Labour are prioritising?

As a conservative I'm getting a bit aggravated by the assumption that the right are anti-woman, 'nasties', Trump and Vance are stupid etc.
Pres. Trump fulfilled his promises to women and he's stopping federal monies to states and universities that keep putting men in women's sports; that's admirable. What politician in Europe is doing that? He's also deporting antisemitic Hamas terror supporters. I'm Jewish and a lot of UK and European Jews are leaving it's so bad for us.
Trump has also really cut inflation, so prices are down, energy is down. and wants to return the US to well-paying manufacturing jobs . Trump and Vance want working class citizens to have good lives. Do Labour and the Dems care?
Anyway he's popular for a reason. So please think and step out of your bubble.

It is a Labour MP and the government representative on the committee wasn’t neutral. Kier Starmer also stated he promised Ester Rantzen that he would make time for the bill.

But they aren't prioritising it. It's a private member's bill. It is not the Labour Party putting any work behind it. It is a single mp who got enough votes to take it to the next stage, where there is now a committee of mps from various parties.

Yes. Which is what makes it weird that they’ve prioritised it over stuff they actually promised to do in their manifesto such as gender reform and conversion therapy bans and social care reform.

The assisted suicide bill is a private member's bill, not official Labour policy. It gives Labour mps a free vote on it, which is why mps like Diane Abbott could vote against it. It has the strong support of many in the Labour leadership but it's not officially a policy.

I guess Labour had several other batshit legislation / policies to push through. They probably realised there’s only so much the public can cope with.

What’s interesting is they made a promise to reform the GRA in their manifesto. You might think they would lead with something they had promised to do rather than something like the assisted suicide bill which didn’t get a mention in the run up to the election. I know it’s a pmb but why give over so much tome to something that wasn’t in the manifesto?

I think people are forgetting that 77.3million voted for Trump. Sex realism was an 80:20 issue to protect women's spaces etc..
If one party is opposed to that it is natural that the other will get the votes and take the other side, that is democracy, the fact it's Trump is almost irrelevant, if Democrats carry on with their vote losing position they may lose votes in the next election because of it, if they lose to Vance in the next election I think it will be quietly dropped as Labour has started to do here.

Like Obama, then? Or Bill Clinton?

Biden pulled out of Afghanistan - I am not sure that the Democrats come out well on women's rights either.

The issue in Australia is growing in awareness every month though. Just like the rest of the world.

In fact, the Westmead children’s hospital gender clinic team were some of the first to start raising alarms. Even though NSW treatment has now changed under Minns, the information is out there. And each year there is more.

I have estimated that Australia is a few years behind the UK in the growth of awareness. The ALP has not been open to discussion on this issue. I held great hopes for Albo but he didn’t really address the issues. He seems to have ignored them. However, soon the evidence will be even too much for the ALP to ignore. I believe the Liberal Party has been waiting out to see the final result of the Tickle v Giggle cases and what the sporting federations do.

I think a lot of the issue comes back to that change in the Anti-discrimination act made by Gillard and how that has been applied by the Human Rights Commission body. I have been told I am incorrect and that that change is not that important, but nothing I have seen has convinced me otherwise. The test case currently is Tickle v Giggle and unfortunately that may not be the strongest case for it. If it was a class action by female footballers against the organisation ultimately responsible for the rules governing the Sydney league that covers the Fruit Bats in Macquarie, I think it would be a more clear cut case easy win.

Either way, if any polling is done on the topic in the general Australian population, those polls follow the UK and those from the USA under the questions of males in female sports and single sex spaces.

You are correct in that many of the media pundits are fully supportive of the extreme trans rights. It might feel like those pundits are reflecting the popular opinion. But that was the case here in the UK and still is really. Look at the BBC. The ABC (to my own disappointment ) is just as ideological on this topic.

However, scratch the surface and get into discussion about the actual issues and the general public have a different opinion. And I mean discuss the actual issues not just the surface ‘support’. Discussion about sport, prisons, single sex spaces and children. Not just listening to the overall supportive statements that some people make.

So, yes. There is heaps of falsity using the negative alignment with the ‘far right’ falsehood out in the Australian media. I, too have seen it. I would suggest that quite a few of those media pundits will be professionally embarrassed in years to come. Particularly those who simply repeated unthinking mantras. And I would say that there is less knowledge on the topic amongst the general public as yet. But it is building. I see it building there just like here in the UK.

I possibly am being overly fatalistic (I hope so). You're right that much of what Trump is doing on this issue is bringing the US into line with the UK and Europe, but I doubt that many on the US left (or here in Australia, where I live) would be aware of that.

You're also right that the medical experts etc. critical of trans ideology and its influence, were winning the information war with genuine science and knowledge, and this had begun to sway the attitudes of at least some of my uncritically "woke" friends. But that seems to have changed with the re-election of Trump, with pro-trans memes and comments now increasing again amongst my left-wing associates and a general feeling that it's harder now to express gender-critical views without being accused of "siding" with an unprecedented resurgence of fascism, and the widespread feeling that this needs to be countered at all costs on every issue.

Let's not forget how long it took to make any dent in the left's reluctance to examine the real facts, and confront the contradictions and lack of rational substance inherent in trans ideology. It didn't require much of a "premise" (beyond "be kind" and "embrace diversity") for the trans movement to easily capture many on the left in the first place.

I hope I'm wrong and truth, reason and justice continue to kick those dominoes over, despite the distraction of the far-right nasties.

“The dominoes seemed to be falling but now they're carefully being re-erected, and it will be harder for the gender-critical movement to resist a revitalised pro-trans left, once Trump etc. are gone.”

What dominoes are being re-erected though?

There is a couple of points here that need highlighting. Firstly that most of the changes that Trump is making merely catches up with changes made already by the UK. And even some of the changes already made by Scandinavian countries.

Secondly, there is evidence backing these changes whereas the changes that allowed the harm to occur to women and children in the first place was ideologically led. The changes back are backed by evidence that will not change or disappear. The harms in sports, prisons, rape crisis, and other single sex spaces, and in the medical treatments are now documented with evidence. They are not theoretical or philosophically led.

And thirdly, the general public’s opinions on these issues has grown as the harms are exposed and could be said to be across all political parties. Each year the majority across the population is growing. So too is the understanding that this is not a tribal issue.

So much evidence has been gathered and so much public awareness has been driven over the past four years, I cannot see how the extreme transgender rights activists can prevail in the long term. The emotionally manipulative tactics they have used in the past have been exposed and their foundations shown to be false.

In addition, the very basic starting premise of who is and isn’t transgender based on a medical diagnosis has been shown to be weak diagnostically and easily manipulated. Plus there are the huge number of self published accounts of people choosing to be transgender based on nothing to do with gender dysphoria. And by the mantras coined by the group themselves, if someone says they are trans, they are. Showing that the inherent weakness and flaws in their very foundation of knowledge.

Can you tell us what those premises those dominoes are re-erected on this time that is robustly going to last the growing knowledge base? Or is it solely based on the false declarations of being the decisions being fascist in nature?

To be clearer, are those attempting to re-erect those dominoes only relying on tribalism now?

Unfortunately I see Trump and his cronies as very much a gift to the TRAs. Just at the time that the tide (on the centre-left at least) seemed to be turning a little more rational and critical of trans ideology, the far right have become the emphatic leaders of active opposition to trans policies.

Makes it so much easier for the TRAs to claim to be the hapless victims of fascism, and to smear the gender-critical feminists as friends of the far right.

The dominoes seemed to be falling but now they're carefully being re-erected, and it will be harder for the gender-critical movement to resist a revitalised pro-trans left, once Trump etc. are gone.

Any president who signs off the massacre of women is anti woman.

If any president that bombs people is anti-woman, that is pretty much all of them.

We are not siding with Trump 🤣
Trump is siding with us!

Who do you think is 'siding with Trump'?

I’m hostile to men that pretend to be something they can never be but demand that women (the biological kind as there can of course, be no other kind) budge over so they can steal our privileges and rights.
They’re weak, failed men that have rejected their masculine identity and tried to smother the voices of real, biological women.