Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

I don't see everything in a left wing / right wing view, but it would be unfactual to say the attack on abortion rights isn't coming from the right wing. Why is that verboten to say..?

I didn't say it was right wing to be against gender affirming care. Smearing a key organisation for women's healthcare with the kind of unfactual scare tactics words that mimic the right wing attacks on their abortion services is an odd choice when you claim to be pro women's rights.

That's a lot to post to answer that you don't know a number of children that were even patients let alone children sterilised. It's perfectly possible to say "I don't want PP to provide gender affirming care" without leaping to"this organisation sterilises children", just as anti choice campaigns could say they disagree with abortion without having to make up that PP is murdering babies for body parts.

Also, have you heard of Bill Cassidy before ?

And back to the culture war I see.

You seem only to be able to frame things as “right wing” or “left wing” which makes discussion very limited.

What is “right wing” about not wanting children or vulnerable young adults (see preponderance of neurodiversity amongst the trans-identifying cohort) to be prescribed drugs which will remove their future ability to have their own children?

I did, it didn't answer the question. I was already aware of the approx 35k patients nationwide in the US that accessed hormones from PP. I was asking for evidence for the claim planned parenthood are sterilising children i.e. what evidence there is for the amount of children access hormones at PP.

Sadly, but unsurprisingly, PP dont seem to declare this information - I wonder why?
Abortion provider Planned Parenthood is now the second largest provider of gender hormone therapies in the United States. In 2022, Planned Parenthood reported that 41 out of its 49 affiliated facilities provided gender transition services, including puberty blockers for minors, as well as estrogen and testosterone.
Despite the large number of Planned Parenthood affiliates offering gender transition services, the exact number of these services performed is unknown because this information is captured in the organization’s annual reports under the broad label of “Other Procedures,” which also includes pediatric care, preventative care, and infertility services. According to Planned Parenthood’s 2022 annual report, the organization performed 17,791 “Other Procedures” in 2020 and 256,550 in 2021—a more than 1,400 percent spike. In addition to the lack of transparency on the total number of gender transition related procedures in Planned Parenthood’s report, it remains unclear what training Planned Parenthood providers have to perform such services and what measures it takes to ensure appropriate parental consent. _
During the 2021-2022 fiscal year, Planned Parenthood received $670.4 million in taxpayer funding, raising the question of whether the organization uses Americans’ tax dollars to fund gender transition services, even for children. _
“I am troubled that your organization buried data on the breadth of the services it provides. Gender transition services are experimental at best and permanently damaging at worst,” continued Dr. Cassidy. “Therefore, the American people deserve to have the full picture of the gender transition services your organization provides to ensure no taxpayer dollars fund these procedures

https://www.help.senate.gov/rep/newsroom/press/ranking-member-cassidy-calls-out-planned-parenthoods-opaque-reporting-and-questions-its-use-of-taxpayer-dollars-to-fund-gender-transition-services

Because a woman's right and needs to access abortion isn't anywhere similar to a person's wish to amputate a limb so defend them having the same legal status isn't a very good perspective for someone who claims to care about women's rights.

And again an adult taking said hormones isn't a child be sterilised. There's making an intelligent case for not wanting PP to be involved in gender affirming healthcare and then there's making outlandish claims to smear the organisation that don't sound far off the antichoicers propaganda about what PP do for abortion.

Arabella has just listed all their stats. Perhaps you could go and read? Just a few posts up thread.

In what is this scare tactics??

It just draws a parallel between the legal status of abortion and limb amputation I.e. both are illegal except under specific, well-defined circumstances.

It doesn’t draw a parallel between the procedures in anything other sense.

How many is that then?

Is saying it's dangerous to parrot right wing smearing of a service that is under constant attack by right wing groups because in most places it's the sole provider of abortion smearing UK feminists as right wing?

Providing an adult with same sex hormones iant sterilising a child.

That's not what 'gender-affirming hormone replacement therapy' is. That means cross sex hormones. And/or puberty blockers.

I imagine it’s the same number of children whom they have handed puberty blockers out to.

That's not an answer to the question though is it. Providing an adult with same sex hormones iant sterilising a child. Such a smearing allegation to an organisation that is constantly smeared by antichoice campaigners should have substantiated evidence.

You're comparing taking abortion pills to amputating a limb and I'm the one with blatant scare tactics...?

Ah, American culture war stuff. Yawn.

I don't think that was the aim, was it? I thought it was a general desperate attempt to smear UK feminists as 'rightwing'.

The usual bollocks.

If posters want women in the UK to give financial and other support to PP, i can think of more effective ways that insulting women here.

Their last annual report doesn't give clear info or spell out the numbers. 'Transgender services' is lumped in along with various other services.

'Other Procedures 177,237'

Some examples in this category include WIC services (a federally funded
nutrition program for low-income women, infants, and children up to the
age of five), pediatric care, transgender services, other adult preventive
care, and high complexity visits, including infertility services.'

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/facts-figures/annual-report

As a vague comparator:

'Abortion Procedures 392,715'

And you know this how?

Yes and so is giving a patient surgery to amputate a limb outside of medical nessccity it's exactly the same with abortions legal in certain circumstances illegal in others. But please keep up the blatant scare tactics as it shows newcomers what to expect from your side

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services/gender-affirming-care

'Planned Parenthood is proud to provide a safe and welcoming place to get gender-affirming care. We offer services to transgender women, transgender men, and nonbinary people.
Services include:

• Estrogen and anti-androgen hormone therapy
• Testosterone hormone therapy
• Puberty blockers
• Surgery referrals
• Transition support (social, legal)
• Other '

Ah, trying to convince someone to your point of view with rudeness -unlikely to work here I'm afraid. It's a bit mansplainy.

'Over 35,000 of Planned Parenthood's patients nationwide sought gender-affirming hormone replacement therapy in 2021, and that number doesn't include trans and nonbinary people who relied on other services, according to Kumar. '

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/14/1115875421/gender-affirming-care-abortion-clinics

'Long-term gender-affirming hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility.'

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

That was a ten second google, I didn't find a number of surgeries carried out.

You're at the coalface of women's rights and you don't know abortion is technically criminal. Okay sure. Thank god you're on the team👍🏻