Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Trump is not focusing on Planned Parenthood. He's focusing on cutting women's services with these cuts. They go way beyond Planned Parenthood who is only one recipient of the funds being cut.

Which POTUS is responsible for the overturn of Roe vs Wade?

Centring children is not the same as centring women. Feminism centres women. Children benefit from feminism. No amount of lament over the loss of women's rights and womens lives is feminism.

People, feminists are capable of defending women's rights and defending children's rights at the same time. It isn't either or. HTH

No. Again, I didn’t shift the focus of anything. I pointed out a reason why Trump might be focussing on Planned Parenthood.

The DEI cuts are not wholly or even majority to do with trans. So don't pretend it is

Ok, so you’re absolutely certain that Planned Parenthood medicalising children has nothing to do with why their funding is being reviewed? (And there hasn’t been any cuts yet, just a review). Of course gender ideology has been playing a part in the DEI policy. It’s a key driver in every other decision. But you don’t think it is here somehow?

Ok, we”ll see, won’t we. If the cut to funding happens, we will see whether the malpractice has anything to do with the decision or not.

He overturned Roe vs Wade

No he didn’t. SCOTUS did in 2022. I’m sure you’ll come back and say “he stacked SCOTUS in his first term” and then we can have another debate about how RBG warned for years about the problems with Roe vs Wade and how successive Democrat presidents did absolutely nothing to fix the problem before it could be overturned on its legally shaky foundations like all the other hundred or so threads if you want. But the fact is Trump didn’t overturn it. It’s just another thing you’ve made up.

Anyone cheerleading these cuts because they hit trans people is centring trans people. They're not centring women

Anyone supporting potential cuts to PP’s medical mistreatment of children is centring children, while at the same time lamenting the impact that has on women’s services because of PP’s commitment to the medical mistreatment of children. People are capable of holding two thoughts together, funnily enough. HTH.

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Yes. You shifted the focus from cuts to women's services, of 110 million dollars to a small part of what a single recipient of some of this money does.

The DEI cuts are not wholly or even majority to do with trans. So don't pretend it is. It's an assault on many Americans. It's an assault on women, who are losing access to life saving services because of the misogynist administration of the Fertilisation President Trump.

He overturned Roe vs Wade. He's attacking women further because women as a sex, fall under DEI. Plenty of women's health facilities who do not provide anything to do with trans will go under because of these cuts. Because DEI means women, the disabled etc.

Anyone cheerleading these cuts because they hit trans people is centring trans people. They're not centring women.

Incorrect.

My post was pointing out that one of the reasons, probably the most likely reason that PP has been targeted for its “DEI stuff” is because of its provision of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for children causing sterilisation, infertility, sexual dysfunction, osteoporosis, brain impacts etc. What you call “trans stuff” I call medical malpractice.

Almost every post subsequent was about PP stopping this in order to focus on its primary purpose of providing healthcare services for women, nothing about “cheerleading keeping safe from trans”. As Arabella points out, this is an argument that you have made up.

Planned Parenthood has two choices I would say:

a) stop causing harm to children and keep its funding for the provision of healthcare for women or
b) continue to push to be allowed to harm children at will and risk losing its funding that helps the provision of healthcare for women.

I think it should choose option a). What option do you think it should choose?

No it's not. It's the argument that was started on the first page of this thread. The OP posted a link to an article detailing the damage Trump is doing to women's services. The 2nd post was about how PP also provide trans stuff.

From then on in that became the focus of the thread. Not the women who would suffer. As one poster put it Yes, there will be consequences for some women, but overall it's a sensible move if it's only for the short term.

This is not a sensible move for women. This is not feminism that centres women.

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Good then that absolutely none of us here are Trump's cheerleaders. So, still, that comment of yours was redundant.

Trump's cheerleaders are not my side. They are on the side of Trump, not women.

Asolutely Trump is hurting women.

Amazing though it may be to some on this thread, it is possible to condemn what Trump is doing to women's (actual, real, not a sexist pastiche) women's rights and also not believe that trans women are women and be glad that the excesses of genderism are being rolled back.

Because aside from the trite TWAW slogan, the needs and demands and expectations of men who claim to be women have the square root of fuck all to do with the challenges faced by actual women and the needs and rights that these challenges gave rise to.

You don't come across like it. Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄
makes it sound like you are not team feminist but team trans. Otherwise why mock your own side. What's with the friendly fire then.

My feminism doesn't centre males in any form. It's all about women. That's why my focus is the impact of disastrous Trump policies on WOMEN. You know, adult human females whose services are being slashed.

Males are not any type of WOMAN. If your feminism centres MALES in any form, you are not a feminist.

Not for me. I'm a feminist. My feminism centres WOMEN. I see the damage Trump is doing to women with his slashing of funds to women's services and his indiscriminate DEI purge.

It's not about trans 🙄, it's about MALES.

This is an argument that you've made up, TooBigForMyBoots.

The argument seems to be: Trump's purging of DEI and cuts to women's services is damaging to women vs No they're not because Trans stuff is cut too.🙄

It's always easier to win a debate - at least in your own head - if you just make things up that you you wish the other person had said rather than engaging with their actual argument.

Yet no one has said anything of the sort.

Yep.

Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄

Hear hear, Flirts.

MakeYourOwnMusic can't pass up an opportunity to have a sly dig at the posters on FWR though.

On the contrary, I find it tragic and disgusting that genderists have the gall to assert that women's real need for birth control and at times abortions has any moral equivalence whatsoever to identity-driven demands for cross-sex hormones or surgery in service of a sexist and misogynist belief system, and to shame women for caring about the former but not the latter.

Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women

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Did you look at the study in your first quote or just the press release? They are extrapolating from just 36 incidents of violence in the transgender population, and just 16 incidents in men who identified as trans. Unsurprisingly with such a small sample size the confidence intervals are huge and curiously they have gone for 90% confidence intervals, rather than the usual 95% confidence intervals. Nevertheless the results showed no statistical difference between men who identified as trans and people who do not identify as trans - even when broken down by sex. Indeed, the graph curiously places the x axis crossing the y below zero, hiding the fact that for men who identify as women confidence intervals go to zero - meaning the number of violent incidents for trans identified men is not statistically different from zero. Whoever wrote the press release either have no understanding of statistics or was being dishonest.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7958056/

Yes absolutely!