Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Yes I do, apart from precocious puberty.

You know I was objecting to the term “children”.

As for PBs, anyone starting them needs to have entered puberty already. They suppress a puberty that has already begun. So, the general age of starting is mid-late teens. Again, parental permission is still required.

Do you have a link though for this particular claim? The PP site says they don’t prescribe PB to anyone under 16.

Re: your fictitious 12-year-old, I hoping you could think laterally and consider the wider consequences to a community of losing services like this. 🤷🏻‍♀️

WPATH recommends puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2, no? Is the claim that PP would disapprove of this?

“WPATH’s president, Dr Marci Bowers, comments on the impact of early blocking of puberty on sexual function in adulthood. “To date,” she writes, “I’m unaware of an individual claiming ability to orgasm when they were blocked at Tanner 2.” Tanner stage 2 is the beginning of puberty. It can be as young as nine in girls.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/09/disturbing-leaks-from-us-gender-group-wpath-ring-alarm-bells-in-nhs

MessinaBloom so you support the banning of puberty blockers for all children under 16 year olds?

Why would a 16 year old need puberty blockers? Puberty is finished by then.

Do you mean cross-sex hormones?

So can you explain why you think:

a) children don’t use PP services even though two websites say they offer services to children, with or without their parents

b) children don’t get puberty blockers even though one of the websites says they offer puberty blockers to children “entering puberty” which is by definition early adolescence.

Indeed. And I have read - this thread, and the PP website.

I know when I’m getting close to the mark when insults like this are pulled out. Honestly? Tiresome.

Those links say no such thing.

Absolutely desperate. The quality of your debating has significantly dropped. You realise people can read, don’t you?

None of this backs up your error does it. You are wrong but can’t admit it. You didn’t say “only certain areas of PP treat children”. You said “no ‘children’ use PP”. You put children in quotation marks too.

Parental permission is required for pubertal suppression, and a 12 year old wouldn’t be getting those.

Why not? They say they provide puberty blockers as children who are “entering puberty”. Absolutely that’s 12 year olds. Is your defence of your error seriously going to be the Planned Parenthood website is lying?

Your 12 year old in Nevada is completely fictional, but even if they did exist, would likely be going to ask for help. Use your imagination to consider why that might be, and why it would be a tragedy if that 12 year old no longer had any avenues of assistance.

So is it fictional or a tragedy? Make your mind up. Which is it? To say it’s a tragedy, means you were wrong. To say it’s fictional means we don’t have to worry about PP losing funding for services to help our distressed 12 year olds potentially needing abortion.

Get your argument straight.

Those links say no such thing.

Different services within PP. They do have different areas?

Parental permission is required for pubertal suppression, and a 12 year old wouldn’t be getting those. Your 12 year old in Nevada is completely fictional, but even if they did exist, would likely be going to ask for help. Use your imagination to consider why that might be, and why it would be a tragedy if that 12 year old no longer had any avenues of assistance.

Why would I need to defend them. I'm not supporting them.

But yet more deflection from you, which is interesting.

Isnt the clue in the name?

Puberty blockers. They block puberty. They block maturity, development, progression, growing up.

The two links above prove that children as young as 12 can be treated at Planned Parenthood. Some will be given puberty blockers as early as Tanner stage 2 with their parents’ permission. Some will be seen by Planned Parenthood without their parents for other services.

But children as young as 12 access Planned Parenthood.

And Planned Parenthood puberty block children as young as 12. It’s right there. They say it. Planned Parenthood then puts these children on cross sex hormones. Planned Parenthood sterilises children and causes irreparable long term harm with the medicalisation of children.

But apparently this is fine to continue because a) children are actually “young people” and b) it’s within the law.

Neither is particularly accurate, as the age brackets pubertal suppression is applied isn’t until mid-late teens. Technically they are minors, yes, but the words “minor” and “children” are being used cynically in this discussion. These are sentient young people capable of making their own decisions, although in these cases, parents do need to sign off on them.

Do you acknowledge that when you say:

No ‘children’ use PP services

you are wrong?

You didn’t claim “no ‘children’ use PP services without their parents”, did you?

How does the statement…

Parental permission is required for this service

…prove your claim “no children use PP services”?

It doesn’t. And you’ve ignored the second part of my post that advises children as young as 12 that they can come to PP and their parents don’t have to know.

You really are getting desperate.

@NotBadConsidering

Can everyone please just now stop pretending Planned Parenthood hasn’t or isn’t partaking in the medical transition of minors?

In full consultation with the young person’s parents, yes? They aren’t doing it a vacuum.

You don't like the term children.
I suggest 'minors'
You accuse us of rebranding children as minors

Did you miss the part that you just copied and pasted that says “Parental permission is required for this service” (pubertal suppression)? And the other services are a separate thing entirely, so why mix them up?

You’re going to try and re-brand “children” now to “minors”? 17 year olds? That are, in actuality, being supervised by their parents or guardians?

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines children as under 18 - so yes 16 and 17 years are children.

No ‘children’ use PP services

Sigh….

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-upper-hudson/patient-resources/expanded-hours-walk-ins/gender-affirming-healthcare

Pubertal suppression?

Yes, we offer this to transgender and gender non-conforming adolescents who are entering puberty and wish to prevent the irreversible and undesirable changes that develop. Parental permission is required for this service.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/information-for-teens

“Privacy” means that if you are a young person between the ages of 12-17 in California or 12-16 in Nevada, you may have tests, receive treatment or talk with us about certain issues, and we cannot tell your parents, guardians or others unless you give us permission. We also cannot tell anyone that you are our patient without your permission.

And yes, we are also aware of the attempt by trans activists and Queer Theory proponents to re-brand children/minors as “young people”.

Can everyone please just now stop pretending Planned Parenthood hasn’t or isn’t partaking in the medical transition of minors?

Let's call them 'minors' then.