Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Yes, I am claiming that. Comprehension again - a few posts of mine ago, I wrote this. I deliberately bolded a particular word hoping you would take note but it seems you did not.

Read back please - I did state that PP may see young people under 16 for other treatments, perhaps as young as 12. Why is that such a terrible thing anyway?
They do not prescribe hormone treatment to any young person under 16, and they don’t do it without parental consent.

To reiterate, PP may see CHILDREN under 16 for other types of treatments and advice.

I’m not clear on what your point is here. Calling me a TRA is reductive. It’s an insult used so often here that it’s lost its meaning. But the next part? Simply because I objected to the continued use of ‘child’ in this context?

No, it says children “entering puberty”. It’s only you now who are claiming “under 12”. Children enter puberty while still children. That’s what puberty is. The physical transition from child to adult.

It’s you who are somehow inferring that they don’t mean actual children, they mean the unicorn of a “young person” who has somehow got to 16 or over, is identifying as trans, and needs puberty blockers for reasons known only to you. Bizarre.

13 year olds, 14 year olds, 15 year olds and 16 year olds (and even 17 year olds) ARE children! Regardless of what excuse you come up with.

You could just have the self respect and honour to say you got 'confused', rather than continue with the lie.

But they are children! What else are they? You are attempting a sleight of hand to get out of it.

You can think whatever you wish.

Again, I do not personally consider those 16 years and over ‘children’.

Yet the rest of the world does, by definition.

No, I read it, I just didn’t want to go back that far to retrieve such an important link to re-read it. It still doesn’t say anything about 12 year olds or younger. You’re just inferring that.

And I didn’t say children don’t use PP at all. That was NotBad’s poor comprehension.

Yes, I poorly comprehended the part in your above post from page 23 where you said:

No ‘children’ use PP services

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You’ve been clearly shown how children do use PP services and you’ve acknowledged it yourself. Now you’re trying to claim you meant children under 12. Give over, now.

Not in all cases. Do stop frothing.

FFS. Terminology. That was about terminology.

I was meaning children under 12.

Very pleased to see so much robust push back against the removal of the world child. The determination of flag wavers for trans ideology to obscure the vulnerability of children by pretending they're young adults is at best naive and worst, sinister.

As for the argument that women's rights should be prioritised over children - just displays the lack of critical thinking by so many transactivists.

Again, I do not personally consider those 16 years and over ‘children’. The way the term has been used on this thread deliberately infantilises them, as if a big bad corporation has seized them eagerly with the sole aim of ‘sterilising’ them (a term I’ve seen often on the thread). Not so. These are young people with parents/guardians involved.

And I didn’t say children don’t use PP at all. That was NotBad’s poor comprehension.

You said "PP do not offer services to actual children."

Those are your actual words.

You LIED.

And you don't have the guts or the honour to admit it. Puberty Blockers are services to ACTUAL CHILDREN (27 year old women don't use puberty blockers, do they?). Contraceptive advice is services to ACTUAL CHILDREN. Contraception such as condoms, the pill, etc are services to ACTUAL CHILDREN.

For goodness sake woman, you were caught out bare faced lying. And you and all of us know it. It is in your own posts.

In other words you were caught out demonstrably lying and saying children don't use PP's services, which is beyond fucked up to lie about, and now don't have the basic civility and good faith to admit you lied - or - to save face by saying you were confused.

Because it is the reason for the cuts to PP, as we all know!

I did write before puberty must have begun before it can be suppressed.

And you've already been told you are absolutely wrong on this. They do not wait for puberty. That's the whole entire point of puberty blockers. They stop it from even starting.

The cuts are to women services because they serve women. They are not genderwoo cuts.

If you truly believe that, when the administration themselves mentioned gender ideology, you are beyond naive. Common sense (and their own admission) says it's because of gender ideology.

Teenagers are actual children.

Teenagers use PP.

You're making a fool of yourself now.

So 15 year olds, 16 year olds, and 17 year olds don't go to PP for abortions? And don't use puberty blockers? Why would an ADULT need puberty blockers? FFS, stop lying!! Children use PP services, whether it be abortions, contraception, or PB. It's a really, really fucked up lie to say children don't use PP at all. I mean, where the hell did that lie come from?

So why do you do it then? Why do you pit women's services over children's services? And you never answer the question.

No. It’s on page 23. Are you now saying you didn’t actually read the link you’re arguing against?

Would you post this link again, please?

They do not prescribe hormone treatment to any young person under 16, and they don’t do it without parental consent.

Yes they DO prescribe puberty blockers to children under the age of 16 because the link I posted said they prescribe puberty blockers to children “entering puberty”. This means that that particular PP is starting puberty blockers on children obviously younger than 16, given the vast majority of children, almost all in fact, enter puberty well before 16. “Entering puberty” is Tanner stage 2.

In America, the average age for “entering puberty” for white girls is 10, for black girls Is 8.9 with a range of 8-13. For boys that range is 9-14.

So the only way you’re correct is if

a) that PP is only treating the tiny number of children who don’t “enter puberty” until 16 or
b) they’re lying on their website.

Neither of these are at all likely to be true.

The parental consent aspect of your post is completely immaterial.

It is a given that children are given gender treatments at PP, probably determined by the state.

Now we’ve cleared that up, we can get back to the dilemma of how to stop otherwise good organisations from being in the thrall of gender ideology so they don’t risk the good work they do.

@NotBadConsidering

This is my last post to you.

Read back please - I did state that PP may see young people under 16 for other treatments, perhaps as young as 12. Why is that such a terrible thing anyway?

They do not prescribe hormone treatment to any young person under 16, and they don’t do it without parental consent.

I’d appreciate it if you’d stop twisting my words and ascribing meaning where none exists.