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University of Sussex fined £585,000 by Office for Students

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OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2025 21:34

The inquiry in the wake of Kathleen Stock's experience has finally been completed:

'An English university is set to be fined a record £585,000 over allegations it failed to uphold free speech and academic freedom, in a landmark ruling in the debate over student rights on campus. England’s higher education regulator found “significant and serious breaches” of free speech and governance issues at the University of Sussex, according to a draft press release seen by the Financial Times. The Office for Students press release, to be published on Wednesday, said policies intended to prevent abuse or harassment of certain groups on campus had created “a chilling effect” that might cause staff and students to “self-censor”.'

Sussex 'has reacted furiously...'

https://www.ft.com/content/d39f0db7-877a-4cf3-8c12-dd5581eecd0b?fbclid=IwY2xjawJP_1RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVWF1ZXM3cKbxGAvtKfecgeMyAXNae5933M9a3dru0zohKTe7Vk24foIeA_aem_HpdtsUQc6ipMGY9J5AGFWQ

England’s university regulator issues record fine in Sussex free speech case

Policies intended to prevent abuse or harassment of certain groups on campus had created ‘a chilling effect’, OfS says

https://www.ft.com/content/d39f0db7-877a-4cf3-8c12-dd5581eecd0b?fbclid=IwY2xjawJP_1RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVWF1ZXM3cKbxGAvtKfecgeMyAXNae5933M9a3dru0zohKTe7Vk24foIeA_aem_HpdtsUQc6ipMGY9J5AGFWQ

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withthegreatestrespect · 26/03/2025 00:23

MarieDeGournay · 26/03/2025 00:10

After all the outrage from the Sussex VC about the unfairness of the fine, the BBC report states:
The policy at the heart of the investigation had been adapted from a template, according to the university, and had since been changed.

So they didn't actually write the policy that got them into so much trouble themselves, they just cut and pasted a template, and they have since ditched it?

Which sounds very like 'A template did it, and ran away'!

😂
I wonder which organisation produced the template? So many suspects🤔

MarieDeGournay · 26/03/2025 00:10

After all the outrage from the Sussex VC about the unfairness of the fine, the BBC report states:
The policy at the heart of the investigation had been adapted from a template, according to the university, and had since been changed.

So they didn't actually write the policy that got them into so much trouble themselves, they just cut and pasted a template, and they have since ditched it?

Which sounds very like 'A template did it, and ran away'!

withthegreatestrespect · 26/03/2025 00:05

Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson said free speech and academic freedom were "non-negotiables" in universities.
"I have been clear that where those principles are not upheld, robust action will be taken," she said.
"If you go to university you must be prepared to have your views challenged, hear contrary opinions and be exposed to uncomfortable truths.
"We are giving the OfS stronger powers on freedom of speech so students and academics are not muzzled by the chilling effect demonstrated in this case."

TheDevilWearPrimarni · 25/03/2025 23:37

thenoisiesttermagant · 25/03/2025 22:25

Having said that, it's disturbing the level of legal fees Unis seem willing to rack up just to try and stop women saying biological sex is real and matters. Perhaps they are prone to magical thinking and denial of reality when it comes to finances as well as biology?

The Universities are behaving the same as the NHS. Shame on them. Sheer hypocrisy.

GCAcademic · 25/03/2025 23:37

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 25/03/2025 23:14

Surely heads should roll at the university. Particularly as they still don't seem to have grasped that GC beliefs are WORIADS, racism, anti semitism and homophobia are not.

Their VC is a Professor of Gender Studies so their attempt to conflate these things is entirely predictable.

nettie434 · 25/03/2025 23:29

I was just listening to The World Tonight on the radio and they reported this. It's 39 minutes (and a few seconds) in:

World Tonight

Branwen Jeffreys (BBC Education Correspondent) said that a fine of this size was unprecedented but she suspected that Sussex couldn't appeal.

As others have said, Sussex don't seem to have learned from their experiences. The report reminded me just how cowardly they were in protecting an employee who had done nothing illegal.

The World Tonight - Democrats slam US Signal security breach - BBC Sounds

A journalist was added to a group chat of top US officials discussing national security

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00298pp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

MaybeDoctor · 25/03/2025 23:24

It was an utterly appalling debacle and for a long time afterwards I referenced it every time I was asked to give any kind of internal feedback about inclusivity or empowerment or gender or any kind of tangentially related topic.

That is one big chicken coming home to roost!

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 25/03/2025 23:14

Surely heads should roll at the university. Particularly as they still don't seem to have grasped that GC beliefs are WORIADS, racism, anti semitism and homophobia are not.

Datun · 25/03/2025 22:58

GCAcademic · 25/03/2025 22:54

The OfS found that Sussex’s policy statement on “trans and non-binary equality” failed to uphold freedom of speech and academic freedom governance principles, creating a “chilling effect” on campus.

This is interesting, as a lot of (most?) universities will have very similar policies on trans “equality”. I wonder how many of them will take note of this? Of course, they’ll be too terrified to incur the rage of trans activists to row back on those policies. But they’re now sitting on a potentially very expensive time bomb.

ETA. And if this is a “significantly discounted” fine, it would be interesting to know what it would ordinarily have been. That’s quite a veiled warning to universities that they’ve made sure to issue by making that clear.

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Indeed.

But how bloody long is it going to take for them to realise that pissing off transactivists isn't what's going to cost them half a million quid.

C'mon universities, just say NO.

MarieDeGournay · 25/03/2025 22:58

I just checked on the OfS website - this investigation was started in 2021, so this para from the FT:

The decision comes after US vice-president JD Vance last month lectured Sir Keir Starmer, UK prime minister, on the need to defend free speech during an encounter in the Oval Office. Elon Musk, the tech billionaire and adviser and donor to President Donald Trump, has also claimed that Britain is stifling free expression.

is so sneaky! It's chronologically accurate, it did come after Vance's speech, but it had nothing to do with it.

They could have said with equal accuracy:
'The decision comes after Tranmere Rovers sacked Nigel Adkins' or
'The decision comes after the Franco-Prussian war' or
'The decision comes just over a week after St Patrick's Day' or
'The decision comes after an investigation which started in 2021.'

But no, they had to drag Trump in, didn't they?🙄

GCAcademic · 25/03/2025 22:54

The OfS found that Sussex’s policy statement on “trans and non-binary equality” failed to uphold freedom of speech and academic freedom governance principles, creating a “chilling effect” on campus.

This is interesting, as a lot of (most?) universities will have very similar policies on trans “equality”. I wonder how many of them will take note of this? Of course, they’ll be too terrified to incur the rage of trans activists to row back on those policies. But they’re now sitting on a potentially very expensive time bomb.

ETA. And if this is a “significantly discounted” fine, it would be interesting to know what it would ordinarily have been. That’s quite a veiled warning to universities that they’ve made sure to issue by making that clear.

SirChenjins · 25/03/2025 22:38

Perhaps they can pretend it identifies as a £200 fine and see what happens when they attempt to pay it.

Excellent news. The tide is definitely turning and the bullies, liars and deluded are finally having to face the consequences of their actions. It’s bloody brilliant watching their downfall, one by one.

Userxyd · 25/03/2025 22:38

Excellent news. Well done OfS for showing some teeth 💪

popefully · 25/03/2025 22:35

Sussex argues that universities are now exposed to regulatory risk if they have policies that protect staff and students from racist, homophobic, antisemitic, anti-Muslim or other abuse.

They need to keep up! Their failure to do so is what's landed them the fine!

to determine that stereotyped assumptions should not be relied upon in the university curriculum”.

Stereotyped assumptions? Like, that each sex has a person-type that matches it?

Maaate · 25/03/2025 22:27

Oh.

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thenoisiesttermagant · 25/03/2025 22:25

Having said that, it's disturbing the level of legal fees Unis seem willing to rack up just to try and stop women saying biological sex is real and matters. Perhaps they are prone to magical thinking and denial of reality when it comes to finances as well as biology?

thenoisiesttermagant · 25/03/2025 22:20

All credit to the Office of Students for recognizing the level of fine required to actually change things.

Retiredfromthere · 25/03/2025 22:19

Hopeful that the final version of this leaked press release is widely reported in the press tomorrow and is as in the FT news.

At a time when universities are laying off staff in large numbers, being faced with possibly very large fines and substantial legal fees should - surely - give pause for thought. Especially if - as reported here - Arif Ahmed the Director for Freedom of Speech and Academic Freedom at the Office for Students says (my emphasis) 'the fine imposed on Sussex had been “significantly discounted” because this was the first case of its kind, adding that the OfS had decided to publish its findings to enable other universities to comply with their free speech duties.'

That feels like a warning shot over the bows of universities who might follow on if they carry on as currently?

thenoisiesttermagant · 25/03/2025 22:14

I note in the list of 'policies to prevent abuse, harassment and bullying' misogynistic bullying and /or sexual harassment is somehow absent despite it being known to be a pretty common form of abuse.

They certainly allowed a lot of bullying of KS for a Uni so keen to prevent bullying.

I know we should be used to institutions using weasel words that are the exact opposite of their actions by now but the bloody gall of the VC to act all outraged that they didn't get away with the bullying of Stock and claiming being held to account is somehow going to make bullying worse is quite something.

Looking forward to the next large fine....

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2025 22:09

SidewaysOtter · 25/03/2025 21:57

Good. Serves them bloody well right. Anyone reading how the “protests” were conducted by balaclava-clad students waving flares, and how posters of guns were put up on campus will understand how horrific this must have been for Stock.

Now, if only the spineless weasels that are UCU could be held responsible for their failure to support her, too.

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Well, the Adult Human Female case against UCU starts on the 31st, so watch that space!

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/03/2025 22:08

Couldn't have happened to nicer people.

It's astonishing how universities seem to have collectively forgotten what the purpose of an actual university is in their pursuit of wokeness.

OhBuggerandArse · 25/03/2025 22:08

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MarieDeGournay · 25/03/2025 22:07

I've noticed something in two reports today, one on Coe and sex testing in women's athletics, and the other in this FT report:
in both cases, Trump was quoted - Vance in the FT - with little justification, as the issues of keeping males out of women's sports, and free speech in universities were not invented by Trump, both cases were running before his re-election.

So the news sources have to report these welcome GC victories, but they can't help themselves, they have to add a little dash of Trumpian guilt by association...😠

Appalonia · 25/03/2025 22:07

Bloody great news!

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