Terf signals/colours

I can wear those little colored stones on a necklace.
If some weirdo takes offense - what? These are the birthstones of my children! And they can stomp their feet and storm off.

If someone gives me a knowing nod … I’ll nod right back.

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What are you talking about? I can't explain any more clearly than I already have I don't know how to.

You have misread or misunderstood multipule posts of mine if you think this

Check back to my previous post yesterday at 15:29 Before you make any more of these claims about me repeatedly on this thread.

In claiming the word TERF you narrow the size of the group.

I am gender critical. So is my husband, so are my two teenage sons. So is my father. We are a strong and powerful voice as gender critical people. Its a group that encompasses people at both ends of the political spectrum (and in fact all the way along the spectrum).

Neither my husband, my father nor my two teenage sons would ever call themselves a radical feminist.

Sorry, I think I'd thought I was responding to @frenchnoodle who doesn't include transmen in her (I'm presuming) feminism. It was a busy morning, yesterday!

Totally agree that TIMs can never be women, lesbians or feminists.

Please stop this. There is obviously some problem with using "you" for referral to a group in this type of context with I am not aware of. Perhaps "we" is better in context, although incorrect English?

I have repeatedly made my intentions clear and have explained and re-explained what I mean. At this point constantly calling back to what is clearly a mistake communication is unneeded.

I see @frenchnoodle is continuing to prescribe what women here should think. I had a very similar exchange with yesterday, including being told I didn't know what feminism was.

I know a horrifyingly large number of so-called feminists who support Gender Ideology, which as we know is Men's Rights Activism. Hell, I have one foot in Wales where women like Jane Hutt, long-time Labour politician and once a full-on, effective, trustworthy feminist, talk about making Wales the most feminist and most trans-friendly country in the world, apparently unaware that the two are mutually incompatible.

I refuse to call my views "terf" because that gives into TRA's insistence that someone being trans or not has anything to do with whether they are "included" in feminism or not, or related issues such as legal sex, SS spaces etc.

'Trans' is so poorly defined that it's nigh on impossible to know who is and isn't.

It's irrelevant whether someone IDs as trans or not. It's (usually) their sex that is the relevant factor.

TRAs have worked hard to conflate this and I don't want to lend it any legitimacy.

@hurdigurdi, this thread has made me think too, which is probably no bad thing on my part.

The thing that has kind of astounded me, though, is the number of people who say they have to be cautious wearing Suffragette items.

Really, seriously, if nothing else signalled that TRAs are actively anti-women, it would be the fact that they are inflamed by the thought of women celebrating that they have rights.

They are the ones who say “rights aren’t pie” (ie, that more rights for them doesn’t mean less rights for anyone else, which of course is utter bull crap) but when we acknowledge the fight women had to have to gain our rights, somehow that means we think they shouldn’t have any rights at all. They are so threatened by women just existing with a few hard won rights that it would be beyond ridiculous, if it weren’t for the fact that when they feel threatened they get violent.

I think I’m going to sew myself an entire wardrobe in Green, White and Violet. Just to be a bitch.

'Terf' was not invented by GC feminists, of course. I am happy for people to dress as they like and live as they like, as long as it harms no-one else (and I mean no-one, the wives of TiMs get properly done-over by this ideology and deserve our support).
TiMs should have human rights like everyone else. They are not entitled to have my rights or to decide they are Lesbians and women who are same sex attracted should have sex with them, and they are not entitled to make their wives/partners and families miserable by displaying their fetish. If that makes me trans exclusionary, then so be it.

Women in their late 30s and early 40s, university educated seem programmed to see TiMs as victims and vulnerable. Not sure why. DD is dual-heritage and so is very clued in to anything that she feels smacks of discrimination, too.

Suffragette scarves are available on the Let Women Speak website https://www.letwomenspeak.org/suffragette-chiffon-scarf

When TRAs and their hangers-on use the term TERF, by the word 'exclusionary' they mean that feminists exclude transwomen from the category of 'women'.

Which I do. I do exclude them. They belong in the category of 'men', being immutably male.

If that means that I'm a TERF, meh, whatever.

I live in Brighton and have been rocking my bright pink AHF umbrella for a few years now. Quite a few youngsters have approached me to say that they love it, a number of beardy young guys too; encouraging, given the location.

I don't think thats true. I go ballistic if my teen sons refer to me as a TERF (which they do periodically to wind me up). I am a feminist. I am gender critical.

There is a massive difference between people who believe you cannot change sex and trans women do not belong in female spaces and that you cannot and should not compel speech but that they can crack on and dress how they want (as long as it isn't sexually explicit in public) i.e "gender critical" and those who believe that the whole concept of being trans is wrong and that people who are trans should not be afforded the same basic human rights as everyone else and can therefore be discriminated against ("TERFs")

I am absolutely not a TERF. It absolutely is a slur.

You can't redefine a word that is in common usage and is used to shut women up and make reasonable gender critical views look to be the unreasonable position. It's a fanciful as saying you're changing the meaning of the word "cunt". You may well say female genitalia is wonderful and so you're taking as a compliment but the rest of the world knows it hasn't been used in that way.

Until the 1832 Great Reform Act, the only qualification to vote had been owning a 40/- freehold - so unmarried women who met this qualification in theory had a vote.

This is something I knew although precious few did. The Reform Act went and disenfranchised those few women who could vote. I imagine that numbers were vanishingly small though.

So it's not entirely true to say things like "New Zealand women were first to get the vote."

It's hard to believe that wearing suffragette colours, FFS, is now problematic.

When I worked in an all-male environment, they used to make 'jokes' about those awful women's libbers etc. One of my stock answers [because it's a really good survival plan to have short, tip-of-the-tongue stock answers ready] was an exaggerated eyeroll and
'I know! They'll be looking for the vote next!'
which usually stopped them in their tracks, for a while anyway.

Now the symbols of the fight for the vote are seen again, over a century later, as a controversial political statement.

There is no guaranteed progress, just a constantly-renewing struggle.

I agree on this. Not sure my adult DD is not a bit TWAW.

It's not a hundred years till 2028, when all women over 21 got the vote. In 1918 women over thirty who occupied a house or were married to someone (a man) who did, could vote.
To some extent this was not new. Until the 1832 Great Reform Act, the only qualification to vote had been owning a 40/- freehold - so unmarried women who met this qualification in theory had a vote.
We should celebrate 1918, of course, but 1928 is when universal suffrage arrived in the UK.

I have a lovely scarf in suffrage colours but nearly every time I wear it people ask me if it’s Wimbledon colours 🤦🏻‍♀️

Some feminists are TWAW, so the word 'feminist' does not = exclusion of males (only some males, those that don't wear frocks). I guess, however, that in French, as it is a gendered language, 'feminism' does exclude men grammatically. In English it does not.
I think we are arguing semantics, here.

I now understand that you are French and French feminism differs from that of the Anglo-sphere in some ways. Women in the UK who are GC tend to be happy with living on 'Terf Island' - Tired of explaining reality to fools about sums it up, as several have posted.
I include transmen as women - even if they don't want to be.
I even include my Slimming World consultant, who believes that taking oestrogen means that TiMs are ok in women's sport after 12 mths of 'treatment'.