Yet more disgraceful NHS behaviour against nurses

Oh, it's a hospital I refuse to use due to poor clinical practice. However, my concern is whether the nurse would have addressed the person as Ms/Miss/Mrs had they been a biological woman. My experience of this hospital is that overwhelmingly, its staff afford women less respect than they do men.

Fair enough.

I guess you'll have to wait until it all comes out in court.

In the meantime, if this were my local hospital I'd be very wary of their ability to follow good clinical practice if they are systematically shutting down staff members who try to do so e.g. a nurse who wants to talk about a male with a catheter and is told it's offensive to refer to the patient that way.

I'd need no more facts in order to be cautious about going there for care.

I'd want all the facts before drawing a conclusion. I don't have them.

It's difficult to comment without all the facts and some of the links have pay walls.

However Epsom & St Helier is my local hospital. The culture towards patients is disgraceful and I have complained many times about how in their outpatient departments women are called into appointments as Jane Smith; men are called to their appointments as Mr John Smith. Persistently this hospital trust affords women less respect than it affords men. In 2025 it is not good enough. The answer is to stop using titles altogether for both sexes.

I have sat in a clinic at that hospital and heard a man called as Mr John Smith and then addressed as "Sir". The woman who followed was called as Jane Smith and then addressed as "darlin".

I would very much like to have more details about the case because Epsom & St Helier has significant ingrained cultural issues in relation to equality and it isn't just in relation to sex.

DEI:

Calling an obvious male a male, not to his face but on a phone call to a doctor who needed to know the sex of the patient for medical reasons - burn the person who said it at the stake.

A patient calling a nurse the most horrific of racial slurs and trying to attack her - all hail the patient.

Just noticed a random FFS in this sentence...

(and presumably the colloquial way FFS a nurse from outside the UK referred to a male patient as a "mister")

D'oh. I was clearly feeling too angry that a caring nurse is being misrepresented in such an appalling way to notice the random rant that jumped in via autofill.

FFS indeed, though. At the situation, not at her use of the word "mister" to describe a male.

Absolutely - it is all about getting women to acquiesce to men. Same old same old.

Ps to add... this nurse deserves praise, not investigation.

She upheld the Hippocratic Oath to deliver care to a patient who has been convicted of grooming children online, while identifying as the opposite sex (i.e. the children presumably thought they were talking to a woman, which is statistically safer by all objective measures, because most sex crime is perpetrated by males). She then went further and carried on trying to deliver care when verbally abused, simply following protocol to advise the patient that this abuse would not be tolerated. Well done that nurse 💪

Nitter version. https://nitter.poast.org/cconcern/status/1903744254624563694?t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

She is suing.

From the article:

"In an unprecedented legal action, meanwhile, Ms Melle is suing the hospital trust for harassment, discrimination and human rights breaches. It is, of course, a case in which the NHS once again risks being accused of sacrificing common sense on the altar of gender ideology, and follows that of eight nurses from Darlington who took their trust to court after being forced to share a changing room with a biological man who identifies as a woman."

Bloody hell.

Thank you for sharing OP and for the additional info from PPs, including the DM article.

Nestled in amongst the article is the fact that the patient called the nurse homophobic... and the nurse said that she had no issues with people's sexuality. I understand this to mean she is supportive of LGB relationships - plenty of Christian people are.

The sooner the public recognises that being LGB is factual and identifying as T is predicated on a belief in a gendered soul, the better.

My position is simple:

I don't share the nurse's stated belief that biological sex comes from god. But I support the right to hold this belief.

I don't share the patient's stated belief that a transwoman is a woman. But I support the right to hold this belief.

The law needs to recognise that there are bad actors, who use their stated belief to oppress others and, in some cases, demand that others accept their belief as fact. Thankfully Christians haven't done that for a while.

The stark contrast between the nurse respectfully explaining her belief, and her intention to care for the patient in a way that accommodated her own belief and that of the patient and the patient's behaviour is breathtaking. The NHS' response and handling of the situation even more so. What the actual fuckity fuck? The patient overheard the nurse describing key clinical information and chose to take offence at biological reality (and presumably the colloquial way FFS a nurse from outside the UK referred to a male patient as a "mister"). There's bugger all point in the doctor giving the nurse advice about gynecological catheter care when the patient has a male anatomy. Clarity regarding the patient is key - this is what the nurse did.

It's interesting that a white member of staff also referred to the patient as male, yet the patient is only gunning for this nurse.

I hope she wins and that the government recognises the need to clamp down on this ridiculous, damaging behaviour from the NHS.

Thanks for archive link.

Needless to say my sympathies are entirely with the nurse and the jobsworth management types that gave her the warnings need to be investigated.

Wes Streeting you're up.

If she does lose her job over this, I hope she sues them all, I know it's public money that will be wasted, but I'm pissed off with my money being used to commit crimes against decent hardworking professionals and I'm happy for my money to be used to get justice for a change.

She should sue.

Transgenderism has always relied on male privilege to subdue women and break down women’s boundaries. It takes balls to be a real laydeee.

And as we all know, soothing a male ego, even that of a racist paedophile, is much more important than providing good patient care etc.

https://x.com/cconcern/status/1903744254624563694?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

This thread adds a little more.

This case really illustrates my main current concern, which is that the ideology is now so entrenched in all major institutions that IDK how we're going to move forwards. Individuals are prepared to break equality and employment laws because they believe they are justified, and know they can get away with it.

Its a Daily Mail article: archive.fo/Ezh7U

Good to have its own thread. Some discussion here with archive of Daily Mail article.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5285690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-23?reply=143041254&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share