Unintended consequences of Adolescence

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Taytoface · 21/03/2025 15:00

Whilst this is an incredible programme with a powerful and necessary message, I find myself worried that every time the there is a new social justice cause de jour, it is women that get shoved again up the privilege pyramid, to be told we should be grateful for what we have.

A renewed focus on working class white boys and men, will come at the expense of women. This is because in the privilege hierarchy, the attention flows to the bottom. Now white men, like trans identified men before them, will displace women at the bottom of the heap. We will be deemed to have privilege over them, as we have had the solace and sisterhood of feminism, whilst the poor menz have had to resort to the manosphere.

I have come to loathe the privilege pyramid.

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sashagabadon · 21/03/2025 16:21

Also disagree with OP

myplace · 21/03/2025 16:19

Highlighting and addressing the problems for working class white boys can only help us all.

And I have seen a male politician trying to support this group being criticised and attacked for it.

If we criticise attempts to help as being ’all about the men’, then we are perpetuating the problem. There’s a good chance this is a small start to men getting their act together.

NextRinny · 21/03/2025 16:07

OP does hence she's started the thread.

You can state why you think it isn't relevant, if it exists.

But you can't deny that it seems one group of men has now got the attention of the nation just after another group of men are exiting it... or maybe it is a societal thing and we're just used to giving messages about boys more limelight without actually helping them???

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 21/03/2025 15:29

I don’t think “the existence of a ‘woe is me’ pyramid”, if such a pyramid exists, is relevant to the important issues raised by the drama.

NextRinny · 21/03/2025 15:25

I think the two points are not mutually exclusive.

OP is right. There exists a "woe is me" pyramid and women are being shafted.

But those who disagree are also right.
Cleaning up things for the poor "menz" will sort things out for women too.

But someone above hit the nail on the head : who is doing the sorting out? And I think the answer to that lies in the pyramid hence OP's frustration.

You don't have to tear her down to prove your point. The point of taking care of young children, boys or girls, will always be important.

Pombearsallday · 21/03/2025 15:19

Couldn't disagree with you more. So much of the violence women and girls face is from this group and we need to tackle it urgently as they're literally killing people. It's not taking the focus off women, it's actually highlighting their violence against women. This show seems to have got men talking and thinking about the issue a lot, which can only help. There are no oppression olympics.

MissyB1 · 21/03/2025 15:13

OP I think you couldn't be more wrong!! If you want things to get better for women and girls then tackling male behaviour, the reasons for it, and what needs to be done differently is vital! This show has prompted all those discussions and that's a start.

RhymesWithOrange · 21/03/2025 15:13

I don't necessarily agree. Inequality is inequality, and structural causes should be addressed for women, men, disabled people etc. etc.

My concern is that women are somehow expected to solve these problems for men. Women had to do all the heavy lifting to make their lives better. I just don't see grassroots men's movements doing the same. There's a handful around male suicide and mental health, but where are the men's organisations fighting porn, child exploitation, county lines, male violence, homophobia etc.? Where are the male-led movements advocating for an education system that produces better outcomes for boys?

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 21/03/2025 15:07

Couldn’t disagree with you more. We urgently need to have the conversation about toxic masculinity and how it impacts on young girls and women.

I don’t agree either that the focus on “white working class boys” will come at the expense of women. The issue affects everyone, directly or indirectly: families, the emergency services, teachers, pupils, mums, dads…For every “white working class boy” 🤔 out there there is a mum who’s possibly desperately worried about her son and the direction his life may take.

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