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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MumofSpud · 22/03/2025 15:09

aspidernamedfluffy · 22/03/2025 14:40

When she's caught short in a public place the chances are she'll decide she's a woman after all.

In theatres I am often tempted to identify as a man - the gents’ queues are usually much shorter!

MumofSpud · 22/03/2025 15:08

When I was about 11 (mid 80s) I ‘changed’ my name to a boy’s name - it wasn’t overtly a boy’s name like David but it was more masculine nonetheless (not saying it!).
Why? I watched a film and liked it - I remember that a teacher called me it after my friends told her but my parents never knew (?!)
After a few months I didn’t think of this at all
I dread to think if I had done this in recent years !!

aspidernamedfluffy · 22/03/2025 14:40

When she's caught short in a public place the chances are she'll decide she's a woman after all.

Tootingbec · 22/03/2025 14:18

Someone new joined my work - senior professional role. Is married to a man and has kids, mid 40’s. Her Teams has they/them as pronouns.

i have concluded that she is either a) GC and is thus hilariously taking the piss or b) is stating she too is “non binary” and thus I am inwardly cringing for her on so many levels!

thirdfiddle · 22/03/2025 14:12

When it takes you till the age of 60 to twig that gender stereotypes are a load of oppressive crap, and even then you think only you should be excused them because you're so special, it's fine to keep applying them to other people.

I sometimes think identifying as NB is a sure sign of seeing the rest of the world, and particularly older women, as some kind of Non Player Character in life.

The only thing I can see in her defence is she's working in a very stereotype heavy field of acting and media. One which treats older women like shit. I can see wanting to identify out. I don't think that happens though she may get a couple of rainbow interviews.

permitholdersonly · 22/03/2025 14:07

Soontobe60 · 22/03/2025 13:34

I’m picturing the scene in dinner ladies where Anita tells Bren that shes non binary and Bren responds with ‘Let me know when you come to work as a bloke, I’ll put you on bin duty that day’.

Grin
Soontobe60 · 22/03/2025 13:34

permitholdersonly · 22/03/2025 09:59

I’d love to know what Victoria Wood would have made of all this nonsense. So much of her comedy was about women and women’s biology. I’d like to think she’d have taken the piss in her own unique style.

I’m picturing the scene in dinner ladies where Anita tells Bren that shes non binary and Bren responds with ‘Let me know when you come to work as a bloke, I’ll put you on bin duty that day’.

Soontobe60 · 22/03/2025 13:31

XXylophonic · 20/03/2025 23:44

We just had a chat and she talked about my childhood (the 70's and 80's) when girls could ride skateboards and jump trees down the riverbank, and boys could bake cakes if they wanted to. And doesn't understand all this 'trans nonsense' because girls and boys can be anything they want- and parents letting their children cut their bits off is sick and they're the sick ones and should have their children taken off them. And David Tennant is sick.
So yeah, I think my mum is GC

Am I your mum???

BunnyLake · 22/03/2025 13:24

RobinHeartella · 22/03/2025 13:14

It's Loose Persons

Ah but she could be on the panel if it’s Loose Persons, she can’t if it’s Loose Women.

RobinHeartella · 22/03/2025 13:14

BunnyLake · 22/03/2025 09:58

So I guess she can’t be a part of the Loose Women panel anymore?

It's Loose Persons

permitholdersonly · 22/03/2025 09:59

VaddaABeetch · 21/03/2025 09:18

I wonder if Victoria is reaching out from beyond the grave to have a laugh.

I miss Vic show would have made mincemeat of the gender stuff.

this is the equivalent of Aunty dancing at a wedding for her? Complete with a ‘jazzy’ jacket. I say this as a 56 year old.

I’d love to know what Victoria Wood would have made of all this nonsense. So much of her comedy was about women and women’s biology. I’d like to think she’d have taken the piss in her own unique style.

BunnyLake · 22/03/2025 09:58

So I guess she can’t be a part of the Loose Women panel anymore?

MassiveWordSalad · 22/03/2025 09:50

SionnachRuadh · 21/03/2025 15:52

The wokebros at Wikipedia have already updated Shobna's page with they/them throughout Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

Except they missed the very first pronoun 🤣

Shobna Gulati
MassiveWordSalad · 22/03/2025 09:47

Could it be she’s a fifth columnist, taking one for the team to show how ridiculous it all is? Middle-aged women are supposed to be invisible, but she’s turned around and said “No! I want to be speshul too!” Good luck to her 😁

SionnachRuadh · 21/03/2025 15:52

The wokebros at Wikipedia have already updated Shobna's page with they/them throughout Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shobna_Gulati

Coffeeishot · 21/03/2025 13:20

BackToLurk · 21/03/2025 13:19

She's the one that was in dinnerpeople and Loose People, yea?

HA yes that's the person 😀

BackToLurk · 21/03/2025 13:19

She's the one that was in dinnerpeople and Loose People, yea?

MorrisZapp · 21/03/2025 10:00

'let's funky it up a bit!'

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/03/2025 09:58

@XXylophonic I've started googling my favourite actors to see their views and it's really fucking disappointing.

Ooh never do that, it shatters too many illusions and it doesn't work much better with sports people either unfortunately (thank Christ for the epic Sharron Davies).

Last I heard about Shobna was that she was going to crack America. So that obviously went well...

BunnyLake · 21/03/2025 09:55

RedHelenB · 21/03/2025 09:10

We're people first and foremost though, I agree with her on that

Doesn’t really require an article or statements does it.

Hey people, we’re people, doh you don’t say.

BunnyLake · 21/03/2025 09:51

There’s no such thing as non-binary. Men are multi-faceted and women are multi-faceted.

Stop trying to be ‘interesting’ Shobna, you’re making yourself look foolish.

Annascaul · 21/03/2025 09:35

RethinkingLife · 21/03/2025 09:07

Brock Colyar on Pronouns, Identifying as Nonbinary

"These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name."

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html?

Oh dear. Not special enough anymore. Poor baby 😄
Wait till he hears that the older ladies are jumping on the band wagon…

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 21/03/2025 09:33

Well exactly @helleofabore

Helleofabore · 21/03/2025 09:32

RethinkingLife · 21/03/2025 09:07

Brock Colyar on Pronouns, Identifying as Nonbinary

"These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name."

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html?

Thank you RethinkingLife. This is fabulous. This says the quiet bits out loud. Operation: Let them speak.

Helleofabore · 21/03/2025 09:28

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 21/03/2025 08:46

As an aside and not meaning to derail, Gillian Anderson, apparently confusing her real life with a part she has played, has released a book on "female" sexual fantasies called Want, a sort of modern follow on from Nancy Friday's books. I was curious so listened to the introduction where Gillian says she included submissions from men who say they are women. And then went on to note a new fast growing category: lactation-based fantasy. I could see the correlation, Gillian however did not. I didn't bother going any further.

The "look at me" enbies are so silly. The idea that everybody who doesn't declare this vainglorious identity is just a set of sex-based stereotypes is offensive bollocks and deeply regressive.

Oh! well. Does this mean we will get a new influx of people defending the abuse that is feeding infants untested and not adaptive to baby’s needs secretions from male breasts?