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ArabellaScott · 20/03/2025 15:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cy4v91e3e1wo

First woman president, and:

'During her election campaign Coventry pledged to modernise, promote sustainability, embrace technology and empower athletes.
She placed particular emphasis on protecting female sport, backing a blanket ban of transgender women from competing in female Olympic sport.'

Kirsty Coventry

IOC presidential election: Kirsty Coventry first woman to be elected president

Zimbabwe's sports minister Kirsty Coventry is elected as the new president of the International Olympic Committee after a vote in Greece.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cy4v91e3e1wo

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IwantToRetire · 20/03/2025 21:17

I am not that well informed about the IOC and am saddened to hear she is, as it were, part of the establishment.

Because, even without the trans issue, the IOC has not got the best reputation in the world.

Here's hoping now she has this senior position she can maybe stop playing the I must stay in with the in group, and be bold on behalf of women in sport.

puffyisgood · 20/03/2025 21:04

yeah, I'm not sure, really.

at Olympic level the DSD issue is a probably now more significant than the trans one. nearly all national teamsare self policing when it comes to sending a TIM to complete in women's Olympic sport - there's a single digit number of countries that would consider such a succession anything other than laughable.

great that a woman got the gig, but a privately educated representative of an apartheid state latterly turned over to corrupt despots wouldn't be my first choice.

NotBadConsidering · 20/03/2025 20:44

The fact is we know if Coe had won then we could definitely celebrate the imminent protection of the women’s category. With Coventry winning we can be hopeful but not certain. That is a worry.

PaterPower · 20/03/2025 20:39

She doesn’t mention anything about stamping out the endemic corruption that riddles the Olympic movement. Perhaps that’s the quid pro quo - she won’t do anything about that and they’ll allow her the win on female sports.

NotBadConsidering · 20/03/2025 19:51

I think she has being vague enough that she will be a disappointment on the protection of women’s sport. I hope I am proved wrong ☹️.

Mielikki · 20/03/2025 19:51

murasaki · 20/03/2025 16:23

I still don't see why having a cheek swab is more demeaning than pissing post race for a drug test.

It’s actually far less intimate. Current doping control protocols demand that the technician actually observe the stream of urine leave the athlete’s body. It’s as intimate as a gyn appointment.

IkaBaar · 20/03/2025 19:48

I’m glad that a woman has been elected for a change.

However, she hasn’t been as outspoken as say Seb Coe on the issue of protecting female sport. Maybe as a politician she felt the need to be careful? For me being the outgoing president’s choice doesn’t feel like a ringing endorsement!

tobee · 20/03/2025 19:45

Really it sounds like a lot of fence sitting to see how the wind blows. To mix metaphors. Like so many other institutions.

tobee · 20/03/2025 19:43

@Mumofteenandtween 😳😬😁

zanahoria · 20/03/2025 19:27

QAOPspaceman · 20/03/2025 17:39

She was outgoing president Thomas Bach's preferred candidate, and we know what a shitshow he presided over. She's made some of the right noises on sex categories; will she actually act on them?

Very disappointed Coe didn't win

I would have been happy with Seb Coe. He has been solid on this issue.

It is a bit worrying that she is the establishment candidate, especially if the Olympics are like FIFA where it possible to win by buying votes off poorer countries

IwantToRetire · 20/03/2025 18:18

Quote from recently published article:

When asked whether she thinks trans women should be allowed to compete in women's competitions, she was evasive.

"100% it is necessary to find a solution," Coventry said. "I think that we as the IOC have to take a little bit more of a leadership role."

https://www.dw.com/en/kirsty-coventry-elected-iocs-first-female-president/a-71949782

Kirsty Coventry

Kirsty Coventry elected IOC's first female president – DW – 03/20/2025

Zimbabwe's Kirsty Coventry has become the first woman and the first person from Africa to be elected to the post. The former swimming star is to succeed the outgoing president, Thomas Bach of Germany.

https://www.dw.com/en/kirsty-coventry-elected-iocs-first-female-president/a-71949782

Zimunya · 20/03/2025 17:53

She serves in the government of a brutal dictator who oversaw the genocide of the Matabele people, so I’m not holding out much hope.

flyingbuttress43 · 20/03/2025 17:48

"Couldn't see it coming." Caster Semenya anyone?

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2025 17:46

I just caught the end of the press conf on Sky - the Sky reporter phrased his question about transgender people in sport as 'Will you give in to Donald Trump'!!
She gave a waffly answer about discussing with national bodies about the way forward/protecting women's sports etc/when we make a decision we will stick to it.
Sky news then cut away from the press conference.

I was surprised as Sky is relatively neutral on trans stuff - their report on the Sullivan sex/gender data thing today was excellent.

I've seen Coventry being referred to as 'the Continuity Bach' - Coe got very very few votes which is a bit worrying, as he was much clearer than Coventry on women's sport.

Entirely off-topic: how come every non-English sportswoman speaks Americanish?? Even Zimbabwean Coventry! I was expecting her to say 'forsure' any minute!😄
To answer my own question: I guess a lot of them train in the US and pick up US-English. Lesson #1 is obviously 'forsure'.. every Eastern European tennis player says it many many times in press conferences😄

Mumofteenandtween · 20/03/2025 17:42

tobee · 20/03/2025 16:39

Yes, and according to Gail Emms, the drug tester has to actually hold the test tube for the urine flow to be caught to ensure no shenanigans. Pretty intimate.

Edited

My BIL won a Commonwealth medal at 18 and so was drug tested. He told us about it afterwards. It was a bit of a shock for a lad that 6 weeks earlier was sitting his A levels! 😂

QAOPspaceman · 20/03/2025 17:39

She was outgoing president Thomas Bach's preferred candidate, and we know what a shitshow he presided over. She's made some of the right noises on sex categories; will she actually act on them?

Very disappointed Coe didn't win

Retiredfromthere · 20/03/2025 17:30

@ArabellaScott Hopeful. Found this

'Reflecting on her oversight of the Paris Olympics, Coventry cited the cases of Lin Yuting and Imane Khelif, who both won gold medals in boxing despite having previously been disqualified from women's competitions by the International Boxing Association (IBA). "There are lessons to be learned from every situation," said Coventry, describing the Paris Games as a moment for deeper reflection on the issue.'

Its a bit cryptic but is she said this when trying to be elected maybe she is clearer in her speech now she is elected?

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1151903/kirsty-coventrys-stance-transgender-ban

Floisme · 20/03/2025 17:30

I can't see a Twitter post yet from Sharron Davies but she's reposted a number of people who are unimpressed.

kiterunning · 20/03/2025 17:29

Press conference on Sky News now. I missed the start but hope someone brings up the issue of DSDs. Not holding my breath though.

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2025 17:25

She sounds proper wet on the subject.

I'm kinda over the 'couldnt have foreseen' thing. Yes you could. It's a crap deflection.

How about 'we made an error of judgement'. You know the truth. And so long as they won't say that they are slippery as fuck and can't be trusted.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 20/03/2025 17:20

She hasn’t always endorsed the protection of women’s sport so I will reserve judgement. People say a lot of things in order to get elected, as we well know, so it’s wait and see for me. Great that it’s a woman though.

murasaki · 20/03/2025 16:44

There's a worry, and ok, some if you will call me on this, but as a fair number of nations who send forward dsd athletes are African, and so is she, that she'll sweep this under the carpet.

Cynic17 · 20/03/2025 16:43

I don't think she has been as explicit as Seb Coe on the need to protect women's sport, but let's see how she gets on, and hope for the best.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2025 16:43

Sadly, I will wait to see what she does about male people with DSDs. I can imagine that there is a whole lot of pressure on her to not make a decision to require sex testing from numerous nations who are heavily invested in supporting male people with DSDs being their leading 'female' athletes.

She does not sound like she is fully across this issue.

murasaki · 20/03/2025 16:42

tobee · 20/03/2025 16:39

Yes, and according to Gail Emms, the drug tester has to actually hold the test tube for the urine flow to be caught to ensure no shenanigans. Pretty intimate.

Edited

I'd much rather have a cheek swab than worry about actually pissing on someone's hand who's holding the test tube. Maybe that's just me, not Khelif, lia Thomas, Semenya etc.

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