If Self id isn't law then why?

Indeed.

And only discovered when women did that what they'd been told was incorrect.

But just how many women did not have the stomach or the means to take their employers to tribunal over this? Knowing that even the unions who were meant to protect them had been infiltrated by anti-woman Stonewall propaganda. How many women had their lives, mental health, livelihoods ,friendships destroyed because of it? It disgusts me. It was entirely abusive.

It is because franchising out official "equality advice" to unelected lobby groups with potentially their own agendas opened the door to serious abuses. Formerly respected lobbyists Stonewall decided, with their new funding from wealthy trans lobby groups, to "get ahead of the law" in the UK - and were given the means and access do so, attempting to change UK law under the radar,with no scrutiny (or democratic process) whatsoever.

As Ruth Hunt said, "Stonewall is not about democracy". Rather, it was about getting its own agenda and campaigning carried out on the ground.

The regulatory capture side of this whole sorry debacle is one of the most alarming aspects of it. Lobby groups should not be able to change the law "on the ground" to whatever it is they desire if it has not gone through the same scrutiny as all other laws.They were hoping that doing so in workplaces across the country would make it a done deal. But crucially, they were advising local councils, companies and businesses that what they were saying WAS actually the law when it wasn't - as many places have now discovered.

The seriousness of what they did here takes my breath away. It is wholly anti-democratic, wholly authoritarian and not at all "egalitarian". Much of the "guidance" and training actively removed women's sex-based legal rights from any discussion, for example, and replaced them with "gender identity" based rights. This,as we know, is not in fact equality law.

Interesting too that it was ONLY women's rights that were actively being dismantled in this way. All the other protected characteristics remained intact.
Almost as it was entirely based on anti-woman MRA activism. Just appalling.

They believed Stonewall and all the consultants and lawyers believed them too. They were told that you could be sued by trans people, who could claim there was no reason to exclude them. They forgot that actually, women could sue them too!

Interesting question about whether it’s illegal. I think it probably is. It wouldn’t, I think, be illegal to offer mixed-sex spaces, but I think it may be illegal to offer a space that is available only to women and some men.

Stonewall et al encouraged every organisation to 'get ahead of law' assuming their lobbying would lead to self ID becoming law.

They get away with it because women are largely ignored and so only change position when they are sued, which is very very expensive

Hopefully enough court cases in which employers are humiliated for following Stonewall Law will do a bit of pour encourager les outres (haven’t the foggiest idea about French so apologies for messing that up). That said, neither social work nor the NHS seem to be learning from their losses. The ideas are entrenched

So why are they allowing Self ID trans identified males the same access as those with a GRC? What need is there for a GRC now? How can they legally do this?

Legally, they can't. But they think they can, and they do. Women who push back have a hell of a time of it (see Sandie Peggie vs Fife NHS - self-id is not law in Scotland either, despite the best efforts of the lunatics at Holyrood).

"Self-ID did not become law in Scotland, yet the confusion on the issue has led to public bodies acting as though it has. It emerged Police Scotland had allowed, in principle, for rapists to self-ID as women to foster ‘a strong sense of belonging’."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-scotland-still-tying-itself-in-knots-over-gender/

It is on the premise that you cannot do less than the law requires, but you can do more. So, under the pressure of transactivist organisations, they go all out, after being fed the line of course that it is the law.

Short answer is Stonewall. Stonewall trained pretty much every local authority, NHS trust, media outlet & a whole bunch of sports bodies and private companies on the equality act….

and completely lied about what was in it with regards to gender reassignment or gender identity as they inaccurately called it. They told them that if someone identified as a particular gender they needed to be treated as that gender fjr all purposes. They described it as “getting ahead of the law”

anyone else would call it wilful misrepresentation or lying