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sandgreen · 20/03/2025 08:06

Igneococcus · 20/03/2025 07:13

The report was just now mentioned in the news bulletin on BBC Radio 3, so the BBC is aware of it.

Just posted this on another thread. And now again at 8am.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 20/03/2025 07:55

I started a new thread as I hadn’t seen this one.

The item in Radio 4 today was very good. ‘Statistics are not a place for self expression.’

theDudesmummy · 20/03/2025 07:55

"Sex at birth" has two unneeded words. Just "sex" will do. You are the same sex before birth, at birth and after birth. No need to qualify.

BettyFilous · 20/03/2025 07:49

Alice Sullivan is on R4 Today, starting c. 7.45am.

Igneococcus · 20/03/2025 07:13

The report was just now mentioned in the news bulletin on BBC Radio 3, so the BBC is aware of it.

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lcakethereforeIam · 19/03/2025 23:12

The Telegraph article has been updated

https://archive.ph/4TVLZ

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/19/police-and-nhs-must-record-biological-sex/

To the surprise of no-one Labour are refusing to commit to implementing the recommendations. Make life harder for people with disabilities? Have at it! Consider making people who claim to be trans possibly a little sad?

the Government would not commit to implementing the recommendations, saying merely that the report would be sent to departments to be considered alongside the views of “other interested parties”.

And this bit's new

It found that guidance notes for officers on the computer system state that it is “quite possible” that an arrested person who has acquired a GRC without informing the police “could be released or otherwise dealt with before any link to their previous offending history is known (through confirmation by fingerprints)”.
“This is also likely to be true of those who self-declare a different sex and name,” the guidance states.

Something that has been talked about previously on these boards.

Wonderfulequipment · 19/03/2025 22:38

This is so refreshing. My DH has been very much of the #bekind mindset but has been gradually peaking. He is very keen on stats and I think this may have made the last scales fall from his eyes so 🙏🏼 Dr Sullivan.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 21:25

Now this is aTweet!

https://x.com/sullivanreview/status/1902362754624724998?s=46

“Data on sex is vital across a range of domains, including health, criminal justice, education and employment. In recent years, confusion over the concepts of sex, gender and gender identity has led to a loss of robust data on sex”

Biological sex erased from official data on health, crime and education
Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 19:50

FinallyASunnyDay · 19/03/2025 19:35

Oh oh oh

From the review
For clarity, the term ‘sex’ when used in this report without any qualifier simply means sex, in other words biological sex, which can also be termed natal sex or sex at birth.

Clarity! No 'sex assigned at birth'! This alone makes me happy.

Alice Sullivan is very much of the sex realist frame of mind.

FinallyASunnyDay · 19/03/2025 19:47

Oh my word. Worth reading the recommendations in the report. They pull no punches. What an amazing, forthright piece of work that I genuinely think will Change Things.

Huge congratulations to Prof Sullivan.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2025 19:36

FinallyASunnyDay · 19/03/2025 19:31

So pleased this has finally been published. Haven't yet read the full review, but very pleased to read:

It is understood that the review has been circulated to all government departments by Peter Kyle, the technology secretary, with an acknowledgment that accurate data collection is essential. (From the Times article.)

Hope it makes a difference. I do have hopes of Wes actually acting to make the change to bio sex recording happen in healthcare at least.

Yes. I'm quietly hoping that Streeting - a gay man who's seen the attempts to obliterate same sex attraction in favour of gender woowoo - will have the confidence and understanding to cut off the funding that's been enabled the toxic luxury belief doing so much harm to society and is frankly breaking the NHS.

FinallyASunnyDay · 19/03/2025 19:35

Oh oh oh

From the review
For clarity, the term ‘sex’ when used in this report without any qualifier simply means sex, in other words biological sex, which can also be termed natal sex or sex at birth.

Clarity! No 'sex assigned at birth'! This alone makes me happy.

FinallyASunnyDay · 19/03/2025 19:31

So pleased this has finally been published. Haven't yet read the full review, but very pleased to read:

It is understood that the review has been circulated to all government departments by Peter Kyle, the technology secretary, with an acknowledgment that accurate data collection is essential. (From the Times article.)

Hope it makes a difference. I do have hopes of Wes actually acting to make the change to bio sex recording happen in healthcare at least.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 19/03/2025 19:25

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 19:01

This is also excellent as an observation.

“There are things that statistics cannot do. Statistics are not a means of personal self-expression. They can neither validate nor invalidate individual identities, and they cannot see into people’s souls.”

Can’t be stated enough

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 19/03/2025 19:24

Well well well [face palm]

Well done to Professor Sullivan, and thanks for sharing this article. I completely agree with Maya Forstater that “administrative integrity” in collecting data in these key areas should be restored asap.

Forester1 · 19/03/2025 19:16

Sadly unsurprised by the findings but very pleased to see that this review has been undertaken. I’ve been making my small contribution by challenging the questions in our staff surveys when they have been similarly misleading.

BettyBooper · 19/03/2025 19:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/03/2025 18:40

In one case a paediatrician said that a child had been brought up in the preferred gender of the mother, which was different to their birth-assigned gender. “She [the mother] had gone to the GP and requested a change of gender/NHS number when the baby was a few weeks old and the GP had complied. Children’s social care did not perceive this as a child protection issue,” the doctor reported.

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

How the fuck have we got to a point where just this in itself isn't a front page scandal??! Every time you think it can't get worse, it does.

Toseland · 19/03/2025 19:01

They won't stop. This is destroying society.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 19:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/03/2025 18:40

In one case a paediatrician said that a child had been brought up in the preferred gender of the mother, which was different to their birth-assigned gender. “She [the mother] had gone to the GP and requested a change of gender/NHS number when the baby was a few weeks old and the GP had complied. Children’s social care did not perceive this as a child protection issue,” the doctor reported.

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

I just said that same sentiment out loud.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 19:01

This is also excellent as an observation.

“There are things that statistics cannot do. Statistics are not a means of personal self-expression. They can neither validate nor invalidate individual identities, and they cannot see into people’s souls.”

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2025 18:45

FarriersGirl · 19/03/2025 18:16

Some corking comments if you can see them. This is a good one

This is tantamount to tampering with public records (without the legal authority to do so) and should be a crime. A few prosecutions should do the trick (and I'd start with Stonewall followed rapidly by those civil servants, including NHS management and medics, who allowed it).

And that's so true. Until some of the toxic medics, politicians and leaders of institutions who are signed up (and in the pay of) the drug companies & the queer theory lobbyists, are dragged in front of the courts and made to pay for their actions in removing safeguarding, decriminalising sexual offences like indecent exposure etc and mangling factual data in favour of fantasy luxury beliefs (like the ONS), nothing will change.

We now need accountability. Sadly not sure that this government has enough of an interest in safeguarding children or ensuring women's rights if the offers of freebies from the Stonewall ally are available. 🙄

fabricstash · 19/03/2025 18:40

I just read this! What gp thought it was normal to trans a baby!!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/03/2025 18:40

In one case a paediatrician said that a child had been brought up in the preferred gender of the mother, which was different to their birth-assigned gender. “She [the mother] had gone to the GP and requested a change of gender/NHS number when the baby was a few weeks old and the GP had complied. Children’s social care did not perceive this as a child protection issue,” the doctor reported.

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Fenlandia · 19/03/2025 18:33

SinnerBoy · 19/03/2025 18:30

QAOPspaceman · Today 15:57

Any chance of the Guardian reporting this actual national scandal?

😆😆😆

Unfortunately, MN hasn't got cold, bitter laugh emoji.

That emoji would get very well used, especially on this board!

Fenlandia · 19/03/2025 18:32

What an absolute mess, and all the people and institutions that have cheered this on for years despite the warnings should be ashamed of themselves.

How have we gone from "trans people just want to pee, you terf meanies" to weirdo parents transing their babies and no-one bats an eyelid?

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