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lcakethereforeIam · 22/03/2025 00:23

Good article in the Times

https://archive.ph/ln8jr

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/confusion-sex-gender-nhs-data-r9qrgl5zn

I knew I recognised her name!

This actually made me laugh

Or think of the census question: if you trusted those results, you’d believe that the most urgent need of trans people in England and Wales was remedial English classes.

Grammarnut · 21/03/2025 23:04

Reading between the lines the government means to do nothing about it.
“We are grateful to Professor Sullivan for her work, which has been shared with relevant government departments and public organisations, including the ONS.”
Government speak for 'we note the research and don't think it matters so we are not going to do anything'.

borntobequiet · 20/03/2025 16:15

Wonderfulequipment · 20/03/2025 13:59

It is in the headline bit now (finally) - says it went up 2 hours ago so around the time I was writing my complaint. What took them so long I wonder Hmm

Trying to decide how to spin it, and seeing if there was there a suitable drag queen available for comment.

theDudesmummy · 20/03/2025 14:46

The Keir Starmer who said that it was "not right" to say that a woman can't have a penis? That one? And his friend Lammy who believes in magical male cervixes? Hmmm.

SeaBaseAlpha · 20/03/2025 14:29

The end of that BBC article amused me:

Prime Minister Keir Starmer's spokesperson said civil servants were taking action to make sure the right guidance is in place.
"There's obviously circumstances for recognising people's gender, but the importance of biological sex, when it comes to, for example, healthcare, is common sense," he added.

A Reverse Ferret of epic proportions.

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 14:08

Shelagh Fogarty on LBC talking about this now. Sets out very clearly her view (sex realist). She's talking to Maya Forstater now and wants to hear from us how easy/difficult it is to push back
0345 6060973

Wonderfulequipment · 20/03/2025 13:59

Projectme · 20/03/2025 12:31

it is on the bbc news site...just not a headline...what a surprise

Public data should not conflate sex and gender, review says - BBC News

It is in the headline bit now (finally) - says it went up 2 hours ago so around the time I was writing my complaint. What took them so long I wonder Hmm

Goldshelfie · 20/03/2025 13:12

It was just on the BBC news channel, about 12.45. I missed the lunchtime news so not sure if it was on there. This is great to see though, mainstreaming the things we’ve all been trying to get someone in power to take seriously!

Helleofabore · 20/03/2025 13:10

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2025 11:44

Thank you for the bar chart, Helleofabore, it was very inspiring..
rejoice, wims, we now have our very own stripey flag!😄
(Who needs AI when you have colouring pencils, eh?)

that is fab!!!

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 13:01

Shelagh Fogarty covering this from 2pm

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 12:39

Shelagh Fogarty is covering this from 1pm on LBC.
She's posted on Twitter
Hearing BBC reports on the conflation of sex and gender in NHS healthcare is like an out of body experience. Do they ever read their own website? More
@LBC

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Get ready to call/text
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Wonderfulequipment · 20/03/2025 12:22

I've just complained to the BBC about the lack of coverage on their website - anyone want to join me?

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint%20Summary

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 12:03

MassiveWordSalad · 20/03/2025 12:01

Vipers!

😁😁
Thank you - that made me laugh

MassiveWordSalad · 20/03/2025 12:01

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 11:58

Isn't it like screaming into the void?
Dangerous male sex offenders enabled to lie in court.
The police completely captured by trans extremism to the extent that in the last week the Met & Surrey police abandon all pretence of caring about safeguarding children and VAWG in favour of pandering to the men leading trans extremist groups - some even using the groups to enable them to abuse children.
The NHS, ONS etc producing junk data that harms people yet they - and our depressing prime minister - don't give a fuck.

On and on it goes.. Thank heavens for the magnificent Sex Matters and all the other organisations taking on the idiots in charge.

Vipers!

Biological sex erased from official data on health, crime and education
MassiveWordSalad · 20/03/2025 11:58

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2025 11:44

Thank you for the bar chart, Helleofabore, it was very inspiring..
rejoice, wims, we now have our very own stripey flag!😄
(Who needs AI when you have colouring pencils, eh?)

Grass roots activism at its finest, brava Mlle de Gournay 😁

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 11:58

Isn't it like screaming into the void?
Dangerous male sex offenders enabled to lie in court.
The police completely captured by trans extremism to the extent that in the last week the Met & Surrey police abandon all pretence of caring about safeguarding children and VAWG in favour of pandering to the men leading trans extremist groups - some even using the groups to enable them to abuse children.
The NHS, ONS etc producing junk data that harms people yet they - and our depressing prime minister - don't give a fuck.

On and on it goes.. Thank heavens for the magnificent Sex Matters and all the other organisations taking on the idiots in charge.

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2025 11:44

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 21:25

Now this is aTweet!

https://x.com/sullivanreview/status/1902362754624724998?s=46

“Data on sex is vital across a range of domains, including health, criminal justice, education and employment. In recent years, confusion over the concepts of sex, gender and gender identity has led to a loss of robust data on sex”

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Thank you for the bar chart, Helleofabore, it was very inspiring..
rejoice, wims, we now have our very own stripey flag!😄
(Who needs AI when you have colouring pencils, eh?)

Biological sex erased from official data on health, crime and education
lcakethereforeIam · 20/03/2025 11:28

Skyla, jic anyone can help, she's missed a court appointment. Poor girl, bet she'll be mortified.

https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2025/03---march/can-you-help-us-find-skyla-stone/

Contact Surrey Police. I believe they also have questions about arses and elbows.

There is a link to report a problem with their page, bless.

kiterunning · 20/03/2025 11:28

Come on BBC. You know you want to..😆

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 10:57

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 10:55

I agree. This is so worrying re DBS:

'The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.'

The loophole here is huge. Safeguarding children should never be sacrificed for adults feelings.

Just to add, I don't know re the GRC part, but non-disclosure of a previous name to an employer is a massive safeguarding fail in itself.

WingBingo · 20/03/2025 10:57

Your demographic record held with your NHS number has gender, not sex. Madness.

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 10:55

Justwrong68 · 20/03/2025 10:32

Surely the biggest scandal of all is that a criminal record can be erased with a GRC. Sounds too awful to be true; does anyone have an article written about this?

I agree. This is so worrying re DBS:

'The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.'

The loophole here is huge. Safeguarding children should never be sacrificed for adults feelings.

borntobequiet · 20/03/2025 10:54

I hope Prof Sullivan doesn’t suffer the abuse and attempts at discreditation that Hilary Cass did. But I’m fairly certain there will be such attempts.

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