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RethinkingLife · 06/04/2025 19:50

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/04/2025 19:40

God that whole article!!
^^
Dr Barrett also likened the idea of segregating people based on sex, such as in hospital wards, to being the same as segregating people based on race.
He said if a woman calls the police because a transgender person is present in the toilet, “it is exactly the same as if you were to call the police and complain that there is a black person at the toilet and they’ve got to come and do something about it”.

how are they still getting away with peddling such dangerous performative fuckwitted bollocks?

Ah, this James Barrett?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3225546-Self-ID-and-womens-prisons

Self ID and women's prisons | Mumsnet

I saw this shared on twitter earlier. What struck me (especially given ongoing discussion here) was how difficult it was for the two speakers to find...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3225546-Self-ID-and-womens-prisons

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/04/2025 19:40

God that whole article!!
^^
Dr Barrett also likened the idea of segregating people based on sex, such as in hospital wards, to being the same as segregating people based on race.
He said if a woman calls the police because a transgender person is present in the toilet, “it is exactly the same as if you were to call the police and complain that there is a black person at the toilet and they’ve got to come and do something about it”.

how are they still getting away with peddling such dangerous performative fuckwitted bollocks?

lcakethereforeIam · 06/04/2025 19:37

Oh ffs

https://archive.ph/n3Yos

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/06/nhs-trust-doctors-taught-change-transgender-patients-sex/

The DoH needs to get its bloody finger out!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/04/2025 15:43

WingBingo · 05/04/2025 15:21

I work for the NHS and someone has put posters up for SEEN on the toilet doors.

I’d love to know who it is. Anyhow, thought I’d share

https://seeninhealth.org/about/

That's great WingBingo. The NHS is doing so much damage with all this that a reset is essential.

WingBingo · 05/04/2025 15:21

I work for the NHS and someone has put posters up for SEEN on the toilet doors.

I’d love to know who it is. Anyhow, thought I’d share

https://seeninhealth.org/about/

SEEN In Health

{% if site.logo %} {% else %} {{ site.title }} {% endif %} {% include site-nav.html %}...

https://seeninhealth.org/about/

RethinkingLife · 05/04/2025 14:10

Dropping in an example of sexual offences for which 850 men a month are arrested. We’re told that 80% aren’t jailed (no information about convictions) and that “830,000 adults in the UK, 1.6% of the population, pose a threat to children “. From figures like these arrest rates, the dominant majority is men but the language obscures this. NB that % should have been quoted as the adult population as per the linked source. So, that would indicate that 2.5-3% of adult men pose some degree of sexual risk to children.

If official statistics report this so nebulously then how can we begin to address it or understand risk?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/05/i-didnt-start-out-wanting-to-see-kids-are-porn-algorithms-feeding-a-generation-of-paedophiles-or-creating-one

Igmum · 24/03/2025 13:02

❤️❤️ Professor Alice Sullivan ❤️❤️

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 23/03/2025 10:48

borntobequiet · 23/03/2025 09:39

Pink News report

“It represents a deviation from the government’s stated position and would be a U-turn should it be implemented,” Walker claimed. “Worse, the experience of those working in the field suggests that far from improving data quality, the measures promoted by this report would make data collected on sex and gender far less reliable.”

Idiots.

www.thepinknews.com/2025/03/21/sullivan-review-sex-matters/

"the UK government, researchers, funders and public bodies need to recognise this Trumpian intervention for what it is: an attempt to erase trans and non-binary people from existing in data.”

This is real 'up is down' stuff. The scientific need is to reveal people's sex and, if relevant to the topic, trans status, medical history, etc. Trans lobby wants to erase its own existence by pretending they've always been at war with Eastasia the sex they claim to be. And yes, they will lie, if someone doesn't stop them. You can do it, Wes!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/03/2025 10:02

Helleofabore · 23/03/2025 09:51

Are those mentioned in PN saying more of the quiet bits out loud? That some people will simply lie about their sex? That there will now always be a group of people who feel so entitled to distort data being collected for policy making and assessment of needs that they will simply lie?

Operation: Let them speak.

Yeah, they can go in the same box as the trans people trans women who say they would continue to use single sex spaces for the opposite sex women even if a dedicated third space were provided for them.

Willandra · 23/03/2025 09:52

Helleofabore · 19/03/2025 21:25

Now this is aTweet!

https://x.com/sullivanreview/status/1902362754624724998?s=46

“Data on sex is vital across a range of domains, including health, criminal justice, education and employment. In recent years, confusion over the concepts of sex, gender and gender identity has led to a loss of robust data on sex”

Edited

Beautiful!

Helleofabore · 23/03/2025 09:51

borntobequiet · 23/03/2025 09:39

Pink News report

“It represents a deviation from the government’s stated position and would be a U-turn should it be implemented,” Walker claimed. “Worse, the experience of those working in the field suggests that far from improving data quality, the measures promoted by this report would make data collected on sex and gender far less reliable.”

Idiots.

www.thepinknews.com/2025/03/21/sullivan-review-sex-matters/

Are those mentioned in PN saying more of the quiet bits out loud? That some people will simply lie about their sex? That there will now always be a group of people who feel so entitled to distort data being collected for policy making and assessment of needs that they will simply lie?

Operation: Let them speak.

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2025 09:41

Liars, to boot.

borntobequiet · 23/03/2025 09:39

Pink News report

“It represents a deviation from the government’s stated position and would be a U-turn should it be implemented,” Walker claimed. “Worse, the experience of those working in the field suggests that far from improving data quality, the measures promoted by this report would make data collected on sex and gender far less reliable.”

Idiots.

www.thepinknews.com/2025/03/21/sullivan-review-sex-matters/

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/03/2025 09:37

MarieDeGournay · 19/03/2025 15:22

Very welcome article. Wilfully skewing your own data so as not to upset a tiny minority of the population is never a good idea.
Thanks for the link Igneococcus

I've just written almost this exact paragraph ( and more!) as comment on a financial investing survey commissioned by the captured FCA. Only asked gender. Will skew data inappropriately.

BonfireLady · 23/03/2025 09:32

borntobequiet · 23/03/2025 09:16

Yet it seems to have sunk without trace on the BBC.

Surprise, surprise.

Perhaps they'll achieve "balance" by finding a drag queen to comment on it all, with a solemn tone and explanation about how the real story here is the persecution of a marginalised minority.

BonfireLady · 23/03/2025 09:30

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/03/2025 09:17

That's refreshing to read - I know it's the Observer not the sad old delusional Guardian but still positive to read accurate informed journalism from them

Thankfully it's often the same readership.
It'll pique some interest... and possibly some peaking.

BonfireLady · 23/03/2025 09:29

Well, well.

Brilliant stuff. The Observer has been great previously but this is the type of clarity that could lead to a tipping point, where people step of the fence of "it's complicated, I just want to support a marginalised minority" and start actually listening to and understanding the harmful impacts of this enforced belief in gender identity.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/03/2025 09:17

That's refreshing to read - I know it's the Observer not the sad old delusional Guardian but still positive to read accurate informed journalism from them

borntobequiet · 23/03/2025 09:16

Yet it seems to have sunk without trace on the BBC.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 23/03/2025 08:30

From The Observer

The idea that the reality of people’s biological sex is immaterial in society, and that it can be replaced by the concept of gender identity – whether someone feels male or female – is a highly contested belief system that does not reflect British equalities law. Yet in recent years, it has come to dominate sections of the public sphere spanning institutions as diverse as the NHS, the police and universities, as activists have sought to impose this personal belief on everyone.
The extent to which leaders in those institutions have caved in to activist pressures has led to real-world detriment......

Well, praise be!

TheOtherRaven · 22/03/2025 11:35

Wholly agree.

'Queered data' is going to be by definition, pointless.

Like 'trans female' meaning literally 'male female', it just enters the realm of failure of any shared meaning or purpose, and a lot of personal indulgence.

BonfireLady · 22/03/2025 11:28

TheOtherRaven · 22/03/2025 11:17

“a queer data approach to contemporary data practices”

Well that has to be a contender for Wank of the Week. What on earth does that serve beyond self indulgent pleasure to the composer of that appalling sentence?

I appreciate it's rhetorical, but sadly I think you might have answered your own question in the way you described the quote.

As is becoming increasingly obvious to the public (I think), also sadly some people really do get off on getting this type of stuff into public policy.... 🤮 and "coincidentally" seem to find themselves in roles where they can achieve that.

TheOtherRaven · 22/03/2025 11:17

lcakethereforeIam · 22/03/2025 00:23

Good article in the Times

https://archive.ph/ln8jr

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/confusion-sex-gender-nhs-data-r9qrgl5zn

I knew I recognised her name!

This actually made me laugh

Or think of the census question: if you trusted those results, you’d believe that the most urgent need of trans people in England and Wales was remedial English classes.

“a queer data approach to contemporary data practices”

Well that has to be a contender for Wank of the Week. What on earth does that serve beyond self indulgent pleasure to the composer of that appalling sentence?

fabricstash · 22/03/2025 10:08

I don’t think the government can ignore it completely. The way the nhs operates they would be wide open to future law suits if they ignore it. The same is true for some other areas too. It will enable more people to ask honestly « do you mean sex or gender? »