I regret voting Labour - they've let women down

When Ukraine gave up the nuclear weapons Russia gave it security assurance that it would refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum. Russia broke this agreement. It cant be trusted not to break any other agreement.

What do those objecting to British troops being shot us propose should happen to prevent Ukraine being destroyed - give them back nuclear weapons?

Indeed.

Not impressed with the dream team of ed and Harriet Harman, then?

Ed stabbed his brother in the back.
Did Labour know how many of us would have voted for his brother?
Then that stone ....
The list goes on..
Now Stammer wants to repeat Blair's trick and send our armed force out to be shot at.... God help us.

I mean he could just have said, I'm Jewish, I don't eat bacon.

But he had to make a meal of it (sorry)

A man defeated by a bacon sandwich...
There's no hope for the UK is there?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

It's a bit worrying though, that the nearest the current government has to an experienced minister is Ed Miliband.

They're being deliberately picky about defectors - they don't want to be a dumping ground for people the established parties have good reason to want rid of.

See also the Rupert Lowe thing - the row itself is a bit murky, but a key element is that Lowe is being backed by the Extremely Online Right, especially Carl Benjamin and his mini-mes, who in Farage's view are the same numbskulls who killed UKIP.

It's more than possible - I'd say it's very likely - that Reform will attract absolute dingbat candidates, as well as rats leaving sinking ships. It's not my place to speak up for Farage or to say I trust his judgment, but his people know that's an issue.

Unless they attract defectors from the main parties, we could end up with a government of complete unknows. But if they do attract established MP, im not sure what would change?

Yes, i agree. Ive heard that millionaires are leaving the UK in higher numbers than anywhere else apart from china. But i dont know if they are business buliders, or the retired moving to the sun. Either way they wont be paying tax and arent spending their cash in the uk.

It just gets easier and easier for Reform to do well at the next election, doesn't it? Alarming times.

I heard Ed Milliband on the radio earlier, and was surprised at just how shit he came across, for someone that senior and experienced in politics. I know the facts about the Heathrow fire may take time to be established, but I'm sure someone in the corporate world would have to sound less vague and waffly.

The pp has a point though on taxes and driving earners out. If Starmer / Reeves’ plans were good ones we wouldn’t see such high unexpected borrowing and halving of growth projections.

Yes, this idea that the rich are somehow 'creating' wealth that will filter down to the rest of us... If you'll believe that...

Love or hate the rich they are the wealth machines and it all filters down.

If that were true, the rich wouldnt be getting richer and everyone else poorer.

Most of the wealthy invest in land, property and betting on the stock market. That doesn't make the average person any richer. It justs helps land and property become out of the reach for most. And at best, the average property owner rich on paper, but with no way of seeing the money apart from remortgaging or selling.

Governments know this because they are focused on total wealth in the country, and are not reporting on the wealth distributions.

I haven't read the full thread but this Labour government is despicable in its treatment of women. The burden of the PIP changes on 18-22 year olds alone will fall mostly on women.

If the policies that have recently been introduced had been introduced by the Tories there would be endless threads about the evil Tories, yet there are die hard Labour supporters on these threads that won't criticise Starmer, no matter what he does.

I was in the pub last night and was chatting to people, we are in a staunch Labour area and have a Labour run council. I heard last night that the leader of our Labour Party has resigned his membership of the Labour Party as morally he can't be a member with the Starmer version of the Labour Party.

I didn't vote for Labour in the last election, in the end I exercised my right not to vote.

I think that Starmer is currently set on an agenda which will advance the fortunes of the Reform party.

Everyone saying they should have taxed the rich more the rich are leaving. We won’t have any wealth left and we need them desperately to invest in business and grow this dire economy. Love or hate the rich they are the wealth machines and it all filters down.

What they need to do is tax the overseas businesses more stop giving them all the tax breaks.

And here is radical idea in economics if you lower taxes the economic landscape improves as people feel better off and spend more.

We are being taxed into recession, people aren’t spending, shops can’t sell, business close. As for the housing market they need to stop stamp duty on downsizes, then we will see more people releasing the larger homes, as it is they stay put to avoid being taxed, that will help in some part to get more stock online, as currently it’s just all the landlords selling up.

As the women here were repeatly told by bullies before the election, "Labour have done more for woman and minorities than the Tories."

It would go very quiet when it was pointed out 3 female PM's and one non-white PM have come and gone Under Tory Rules while labour still has a white man in charge....

And you know the only PM to really care about disability Benefits, also was a conservative, because he had a disabled son.

Well you can't deny he's true to his word, he's had an impact on the vulnerable....

Yes I'm surprised too at harsh things like the Winter fuel allowance etc.

My distrust of the Labour party was that I believed Sunak when he said the party would have an impact on the vulnerable, when they were doing the head to heads. I don't know, it just sounded genuine comment, not actual spin.

I think more than ever I will vote based on the MPs / leader rather than the ideology of the party (never Reform though!).

Not all of us bought their hype

That was pretty much this site with added attacks.

Labour’s policies will have impacted some this week.

Up until the announcement there was talk of it being the media speculating etc. I suppose we have to go through cuts to see the reality.

All the applauding earlier Labour policies whether it’s hits on farmers, students, pensioners or businesses was rife, easy when it’s someone else but not so easy to defend when it’s welfare cuts.

Yet anyone criticising Labour was shot down during, and immediately after, the election as being a Tory bot??
Funnily enough haven't heard many of those comments recently.....

Non-contribution, d'oh. No nob-contributions, thanks.

I'd agree with this, and actually I'd go further- it would require a lot of us on average incomes to contribute more too. People need to buy into it though, I think we need a proper contributory social insurance system. It's how most other welfare states are paid for. Obviously you'd still need nob-contribution based for people born with disabilities or who have accidents in their adolescence.

People love to go-on about Thatcher, forgetting that the basic rate of income tax was 30% for most of her government. Basically, the problem remains that people want benefits for them, but not others, and someone else should pay for it all.

I was schooled by a father who encouraged me to go to Liverpool for Uni as he thought Derek Hatton* was God.
If there was a picket line, he was on it.
The workhouses that near generations had been sent to cast a long shadow for people like my dad.
He was born in 1935 and talked about what life was like if someone got ill. He told me having the NHS felt like a miracle. That ordinary people could access a doctor.
How unions stopped horrific worker exploitation.
I do remember how powerful they became in the 70’s and didn’t cover themselves in glory.
I can remember the miners’ strikes, and the poverty due to unemployment in the 80’s.
Norman Tebbit had that famous line about getting on your bike to find a job.
But even he didn’t tell people to get in their wheelchairs to find one. It would have caused the same reaction as the Poll Tax - riots.
I said yesterday I’d quite like to close my eyes and go back to lockdown I’d even watch Boris on the telly every night if need be. And somewhere I could hear my dad spinning….
*Derek Hatton turned out to not be God.