Canadian PM Mark Carney's child attended Tavistock

Thanks for the link OP. I've just read Sasha Carney's piece.

I found it quite thoughtful. Yes self indulgent but I think that would be hard to avoid in a piece about authenticity in a Yale student (?) publication. She is trying to move away from polarised binary thinking it seems. She seems to be almost there in some ways, but also somewhat attached to the word "trans" to describe children.

I think it's good to read around as a previous poster said. In the past I would have dismissed Mumsnet as having nothing worth me reading. It's rare to ever find it mentioned by someone who has actually spent time finding out what it actually is. I would be surprised if Sasha Carney has which is a shame because if she did she might learn that her projections are just that.

Enid Blyton could probably do with her own thread.

I don't personally see it as relevant to wider politics.

All the OP did was to link to an article. She wasn't nasty or judgemental. But merely linking to an article provoked a bunch of aggressive and unpleasant posts making baseless accusations.

The truth is, this stuff is public knowledge. It's not a secret. We're allowed to discuss it.

Thanks OP for the link to the self indulgent twaddle written by Sasha Carney.

If I had a daughter that asked "So where does that leave me? Am I a cis woman pretending? A trans man running from my own identity? A nonbinary person finally expressing my “true” authentic self?,

my response would be "Sorry you are not special, you are just like millions of other humans that have managed to negotiate life without all those stupid labels. You obviously have too much time on your hands so I'll be removing your allowance. Now go out in the world, meet real people and get a proper job"

Does this apply to leaders (general) you're not ideologically teamed with too? If Carney is under what are arguably harmful influences it shouldn't be hidden.

I think this attitude perpetuates the problem you claim to care about tbh.

This is a UK feminist forum so actual Trump fans are thin on the ground thank fuck. Feminists recognise that the choice isn't a gender stereotype loving, male centric binary between Trump or gender ideology. There are other approaches. I favour a socialism based in material and class analysis myself.

I'm intrigued to know when is the right time for women to care about women's and children's rights? I'm all too aware that the powerful men of this world can't seem to play nicely, but day in, day out women and children still exist and are living the one life they get. Even if you're not concerned over their vote (you should be) since when is it acceptable to stop caring about the ordinary lives of oppressed people simply because the big men can't exist peacefully? Many of us are capable of caring about - and campaigning on - multiple issues!

If someone doesn't want publicity or for their story to be known then they wouldn't write about it and have it published.

And?
Did I miss something? Is his child the new PM?

So because Carney is 'anti-Trump' we're not allowed to criticise his actions? Of course his susceptibility to this must be discussed. It reflects on everything he does.

I'm not surprised his total lack of human empathy has lead to him encouraging his child on this harmful pathway

What do you base this on @Circumferences ?

I'm with you, OP.

Mark Carney, former head of the bank of England, multimillionaire, member of world economic forum and Bilderberg, is not going to change the state of the world anytime soon.

Friend of Epstein, Bill Gates etc.

I'm not surprised his children have mental health issues. I'm not surprised his total lack of human empathy has lead to him encouraging his child on this harmful pathway, he is in fact part of the "elite" that encourages gender ideology that makes an absolute fortune for the medical industry....

I think it's incredibly important to understand which politicians believe children can be born in the wrong body. Which people in positions of power will claim trans women are women. That women can have a penis. Which adults don't seem to have a clue about safeguarding so support men in women's prisons

I agree @happydappy2

The PDF is interesting OP. Not very well written, but interesting nevertheless. I read widely on all sides of various issues. Ignore the censors. I prefer to make my own mind up.

The article reads to me like "this is how I feel/felt so give me what I want".
Trans children deserve support, love, affirmation of their identity, and access to resources like puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and gender-affirming clothing. They also deserve to have all of this on their own terms, without the legitimacy of their transness being interrogated, over and over, by transmeds and TERFs.

Agreed. My first thought on reading this thread was oh look a trump fan trying to discredit someone who opposes his madness.
I am also a sex realist but the world has even bigger problems at the moment.

I think it's incredibly important to understand which politicians believe children can be born in the wrong body. Which people in positions of power will claim trans women are women. That women can have a penis. Which adults don't seem to have a clue about safeguarding so support men in women's prisons...Canada, under Trudeau has become very dangerous for women & children-it would be good to know more about how Mark Carney feels about this issue.

I’d advise caution inferring anything from this. My child was referred to the Tavi too. Both my DH and I are deeply GC - I’d hate for anyone to make inferences about him based on this, but perhaps this is why my DH has no social media and has never discussed any of this, anything personal esp about his kids, with his team.

Please remember that for every Susie Green there were dozens of parents on the open-minded to GC scale managing their child’s distress in an aggressively affirmative and captured care system.

You posted in the middle of the night op.

Same happens on the relationships board. You get an influx of rather regressive, scolding posts. Be a good little woman won't you OP and stop making men look bad?

This is the feminist board. Of course you're allowed to question the influences behind the decisions those in power make. Those decisions have huge implications for women and children worldwide.

It's also very possible to care about multiple topics at once. And actually, privileged people in positions of power gaslighting the masses that 2+2=5 is precisely the kind of shit show that dangerous idiots like Trump take advantage of.

Absolutely this. Leave his child alone.

Agreed. Actually this article was leading and not well written and appears to be one of the predictable wave of anti democratic propaganda we are seeing at the moment. Right now we need to guard against this.

Mark Carney did a good job at B of E and is a great pair of hands for the current Trump-caused dangerous, weird situation we're all in. Why not take a look at his manifesto and criticise that rather than this?

Curious. Hmmm
Why the statement: Mark Carney's position on this may impact a lot of Canadian children.
What's it to you?

This! Ffs OP read the room. The world is in crisis. In five years time the Map might look completely different to the way it now looks and our rights and freedoms might be significantly curtailed.

Im as gender critical as it comes but we don’t need to attack and bring down those who are willing to stand up to the bullies set on destroying the world.

Don’t fan the flames trying to burn those standing up to the Americans

So, you're just posting as a public service for Canadians, then? You just wanna help us out, do you?

Absolutely this. Literally wtf