Trans identifying male prison officer allowed to intimately search female prison visitors

This, until people get their heads around this, women will be put in danger or in a position where they are sexually harassed.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3742911-Women-who-dont-wear-bras-are-not-allowed-to-visit-prisons is relevant.

I think OP's title is a bit misleading as intimate searches implies the searching of bodily cavities. I do not believe women visiting someone in prison have their vagina and anus probed. Nobody would ever visit prisons if that were true.

It's utterly reprehensible, of course, for any male to pat down any woman. It shouldn't be happening.

l wish the papers would say "man who identifies as a woman" instead of "trans". It's the maleness of the officer that's the problem.

Yes - and this power dynamic makes it even more sickening.

I think they did when they advised the government that the law was a mess and to clarify what sex meant.

The government said that the existing sex fudge (the one that subordinates women and enables men to abuse them but under the cover of confusing waffle that disguises it a bit) suits them quite nicely and they are fine with it. Proud of it even.

This is even more awful, because will any female victims even dare to complain? They could well be condemned as transphobic troublemakers by the duty manager, if they do complain. I suspect strongly that many wives and partners of prisoners are not able to advocate well for themselves.

Goodness knows, but regular visits are known to help with discipline and mental health in prisons and its also important that convicts maintain relationships with their children.

Many women would just submit to it, rather than be banned from visiting.

Some of these policies aren't legal, the problem is it takes money and effort to challenge employers or organisations that break the law. And if a lot of them are doing it relentlessly, individuals can't fix this. Which is where the EHRC is supposed to step in.

This is awful. How is this legal?

https://www.gov.uk/airport-rights

Says same sex , here.

My gender is a-gender fluid a-romantic Demi boy. Good luck finding an officer of the same gender as me to search me

I’m bringing up airport searches because that would be an instance where the general public would find themselves confronted with the reality that is happening to women in prisons or being searched by transgender police officers of the opposite sex. I agree the general public would be angry but that would expose the situation.

Have airports got policy to prevent this? Do the unions accept it? Have airports just been lucky so far to escape an outcry? Or have activists avoided airports as a target because it would be an own goal?

Presumably the public nature of airports means that much of the travelling public just wouldn't accept a man touching women and girls in that way. While in the confines of a prison, visitors already feel vulnerable and aware that prisoners who they're visiting are usually punished for "misgendering" / accurately sexing other prisoners / prison staff. So they may feel unable to protest about indecent assault perpetrated by a member of staff

Which is the problem with the trans capture of institutions. It de criminalises sexual crimes such as sexual assault, indecent exposure and voyeurism. It's a predators dream and we know how predators seek out opportunities to target women and girls - especially with the additional thrill of it being in plain sight.

I cannot go through security X-ray machines at airports due to a pace-maker equivalent implant. I have never had a male security guard pat me down. I have had male security officers actually go and find a female official to conduct a pat down - they would just never do it.

This is appalling especially since it will affect people who are in a very vulnerable position.

I’m curious about what happens in other search situations. What happens at airports? I have often been patted down by a member of security staff when the detector you walk through has beeped. Could I refuse to be searched by an individual I believed was not my sex? Do airports have policy?

If the member of staff actually believed this crap, all the visitors would have to do was declare their gender as sky-blue-pink-kitten. Bingo, there is no staff member with a matching gender available to search them.

Just a common or garden male creep then.

I've been searched pretty much every day for ten years (in English prisons, not Scottish ones, tbf). I have never ever been pat-down searched by a male. It is simply not done. I have been "wanded" by male staff, and they always ask first. Female officers search female visitors, and children. I would be very unimpressed if we had a trans officer who demanded to be allowed to search women and babies.

I have several transgender prisoners in my prison at present. None of them have a GRC, and are searched as males, by male officers.

I might actually identify as male. I'm willing to bet a male PO forced to search someone female would be more reluctant and reticent.

Horrendous

and agree with @TheKeatingFivepost

If he had any decency whatsoever he would step away from this process and request female officers perform searches on female visitors and staff.
But no, his wants trump everyone else’s. Sounds like a creepy predator to me. Shame on the prison governor allowing this. I’ve never been inside a prison but would find being searched by a man very very difficult even though I understand the reason for the search. I’d be ok with a woman performing the search as a necessary means to an end.

As children often visit parents in prison this will be a man searching girls. So not just indecent assault but on a minor. The court case on this will be "interesting"

"Prison rules say that any search must be carried out by an officer of the same gender as the person being searched, with a second officer of the same ­gender present."

I bet they aren't actually checking the gender of the female people being seached though, just assuming if they are female they must be women.

Yet again the bad faith slight of hand - trans women claim their gender makes them interchangeable with female people in matters of sex, even though the very arguement that allows a male person to be a "woman" also delegitimises any connection between "woman" and female-bodied.

What
A
Fucking
Creep

No case by case needed. Just the fact he knows he's male and is choosing to do this confirms he's precisely the kind of man you wouldn't want anywhere near you.

Jesus. What next.