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Scotland's care watchdog says girls in care should share rooms with boys who self-ID as female

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IwantToRetire · 16/03/2025 01:49

In the latest development of Scotland’s single-sex scandal, the Care Inspectorate says looked-after transgender children ‘should not be made to use the toilet or bedroom of their sex assigned at birth’.

The edict adds that trans youngsters should be able to ‘share a room with other young people who share their gender identity’.

Astonishingly, it also states there is ‘no law in Scotland’ that protects single-sex spaces.

Articles continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14502831/Fury-Scotlands-care-watchdog-says-girls-care-share-rooms-boys-self-ID-female.html

Who is it that has been going round Scottish organisations, political parties, the charity sector, and telling them that under the law no single sex services are permitted. And why is anyone believing them when you can just look up and read the EA on the internet.

Or mabye Scotland lives in a parrallel universe governed by alternative view points and facts.

Care watchdog: Girls should share rooms with boys who ID as female

Girls in care should share a bedroom with boys who 'self-identify' as the opposite gender , according to 'terrifying' guidance issued by a watchdog.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14502831/Fury-Scotlands-care-watchdog-says-girls-care-share-rooms-boys-self-ID-female.html

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MummytoE · 17/03/2025 07:41

This is so sad, worrying and unfair. Young girls in care are so vulnerable.

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/03/2025 07:40

NPET · 16/03/2025 17:37

I'm surprised you seem to have a vendetta against me. I can't help being gorgeous.
But seriously at school and college there were hundreds of girls and young women whom boys and young men were desperate to befriend. I feel sorry for you if you were one of the few who WEREN'T being hit on constantly.

It's not a " vendetta" I just find your posts really odd and not quite credible. They all seem to be centred on elevating yourself, rather than in making general comment

Octav · 17/03/2025 07:06

You have to wonder at the people in charge. Why do they not see vulnerable girls. They need investigating and tge people tgat gave them tge job because they are all in the wrong one.

PriOn1 · 16/03/2025 18:36

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/03/2025 13:16

Why is it that most of the most committed and vituperative trans activists ( and anti Israel activists) are young/ women?

When it comes to the likes of Whittle and Morton, part of the reason they are so successful is precisely because they’re female.

They are no threat to men and there is obviously no advantage to them in being in men’s spaces, other than for their own mental health and comfort. The likelihood of an ulterior motive, such as predatory behaviour or a sexual motive is tiny, compared to cross dressing men.

I think both of those two have had the subtlety and restraint that many of the conspicuous male activists haven’t got, though Whittle is losing some of that skill, of late.

As transactivists, who are obviously asking for a significant societal privilege, namely moving into opposite sex spaces, it’s pretty much essential to chose someone non-threatening to head your campaign and those two fit the bill perfectly, as did Hayley from Corrie, because she was female too.

OldCrone · 16/03/2025 18:19

Apollo441 · 16/03/2025 17:30

Do you know any teenage boys/young men? I'd say a fair proportion would play the system without any encouragement.

I do wonder if the people in the Care Inspectorate who wrote this insane 'guidance' have actually ever met any teenage boys.

I don't understand how so many people seem to believe that no predatory males, whether they be teenage boys or grown men, would take advantage of rules which say that they can enter female-only spaces if they simply utter the magic words 'I identify as a girl/woman'.

MarchHare339 · 16/03/2025 17:51

BeLoyalCoralHiker · 16/03/2025 08:24

I’m shocked that room sharing is ok at all, growing up I had friends who were being fostered and my understanding is that children in care have their own rooms.

I worked with kids in care and there were a lot of shared rooms.

MimiGC · 16/03/2025 17:38

All young people in care are vulnerable by virtue of the fact that they are there because things have gone very wrong in their short lives. They have most likely been abused and/or neglected, are distressed, disturbed, volatile, etc. Putting males and females in the same rooms together is a very bad idea.

NPET · 16/03/2025 17:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/03/2025 13:18

There you go again....the other day you were suggesting that young men at university would drop all of their male friends just to be with you and your girl mates, and now you are suggesting that they'd identify as girls just to share with you.

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I'm surprised you seem to have a vendetta against me. I can't help being gorgeous.
But seriously at school and college there were hundreds of girls and young women whom boys and young men were desperate to befriend. I feel sorry for you if you were one of the few who WEREN'T being hit on constantly.

Apollo441 · 16/03/2025 17:30

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/03/2025 13:18

There you go again....the other day you were suggesting that young men at university would drop all of their male friends just to be with you and your girl mates, and now you are suggesting that they'd identify as girls just to share with you.

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Do you know any teenage boys/young men? I'd say a fair proportion would play the system without any encouragement.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/03/2025 13:40

OchonAgusOchonOh · 16/03/2025 13:18

The edict adds that trans youngsters should be able to ‘share a room with other young people who share their gender identity’.

Surely that means that those with a transgender identity should share with others with the same transgender identity? So transboy shares with transboy, transgirl shares with transgirl. After all, they claim we all have a gender identity and that those of us who are not trans are cis.

Disclaimer: I haven't read the DM article as it's DM

As people all over the UK are learning to their cost - if you wait for the Guardian / BBC & other allegedly "left wing" press to report on safeguarding matters, you'll wait for ever. There are certain groups who are rarely criticised or exposed for safeguarding breaches, grooming, or putting others in danger. The Times, followed by the DM & the Telegraph are the ones who are prepared to stand up to the "sacred castes" who harm others - especially children.

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/03/2025 13:18

NPET · 16/03/2025 12:32

Pathetic!!
Half the boys at school would have "identified" as a girl if it meant they could share a room with me.

There you go again....the other day you were suggesting that young men at university would drop all of their male friends just to be with you and your girl mates, and now you are suggesting that they'd identify as girls just to share with you.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 16/03/2025 13:18

The edict adds that trans youngsters should be able to ‘share a room with other young people who share their gender identity’.

Surely that means that those with a transgender identity should share with others with the same transgender identity? So transboy shares with transboy, transgirl shares with transgirl. After all, they claim we all have a gender identity and that those of us who are not trans are cis.

Disclaimer: I haven't read the DM article as it's DM

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/03/2025 13:16

PriOn1 · 16/03/2025 08:25

James Morton has probably also been heavily influential in Scotland and some of the loudest voices at Holyrood are female. Many years ago, Scotland was more paternalistic than England, I believe, as well as tending more towards strong religious faith.

I think this current sickness is very centralized and still largely invisible, until it isn’t, as with Sandie Peggie, for example. Those I have spoken to reject this broadly, yet it is pervasive within institutions, pushed from the top down.

I saw this thread and honestly want to cry for those girls. Those who need most protection are being used and abused again, but I have no idea what I can do about it.

Why is it that most of the most committed and vituperative trans activists ( and anti Israel activists) are young/ women?

Womanofcustard · 16/03/2025 13:05

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/03/2025 08:21

Children in care of the state were one of the first groups that transactivists targeted. Writing policies for local authorities, foster carers and providing endless training was a major source of income for certain men claiming to be women.
Authorities completely failed to see the safeguarding breaches let alone consider how children alienated from their families were sitting ducks for the idea that their bodies could be flawed but transformed into a new person with a quick sex change.

Girls in care were also the first targets of grooming gangs/paedophiles.

NPET · 16/03/2025 12:32

Pathetic!!
Half the boys at school would have "identified" as a girl if it meant they could share a room with me.

Byjimminy · 16/03/2025 09:09

I expect some people's eyes are lighting up at the propsect of this cascading through social housing/room numbers too - savings to be had if brothers and sisters can be forced to share throughout childhood.

Igmum · 16/03/2025 08:36

This is appalling. How on earth could anyone have thought for even a nanosecond that this was acceptable? What do they put in the water in Scotland?

As an aside well done to the DM for all of the sunlight it sheds on this (and I never thought I would say that).

Forester1 · 16/03/2025 08:32

If I was in Scotland I’d be writing to my MP / MSP on this but does anyone know the position in the rest of the UK?

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 16/03/2025 08:29

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 16/03/2025 08:11

Institutional abuse of girls.

Yes. This enrages me. As a society haven’t we learned from the Rotherham grooming scandal just how vulnerable these girls are? Nobody looks out for them - then the service that should have SAFEGUARDING at its very core decides that males can enter their private spaces. WTAfuckingF??

RethinkingLife · 16/03/2025 08:28

State sanctioned abuse of some of the genuinely most troubled, traumatised, and vulnerable children.

What is happening to people’s brains? It’s as if there’s a new puppet master with ends in mind that is invisible to the unaffected.

Toxoplasma gondii forms cysts in people’s brains. Unless their host has a weak immune system, their cysts cause no apparent harm. But they make up in numbers what they may lack in deadliness. Perhaps a billion or more people carry Toxoplasma cysts in their brain. They pick up the parasites in the soil, undercooked meat, or cat litter.

It’s in cats that the Toxoplasma life cycle gets its start. The parasites mate in the intestines of cats and then produce egg-like offspring, which are passed out with cat droppings. The durable eggs can stay viable for months as they wait for their next host–which can be any species of mammal or bird. Those hosts swallow the parasites, which migrate out of their gut and wander their body; the ones that make it to the brain form protective cysts and play the waiting game again. Only if they can get back into a cat’s gut will they be able to take the next step in the Toxoplasma life cycle.
As other cases of parasite manipulation came to light, some scientists wondered whether Toxoplasma might have some tricks of its own. After all, there’s one obvious opportunity for increasing its odds of getting into cats: make its host easier for cats to catch.

Starting in the late 1990s, a number of researchers published evidence indicating that the parasite does, in fact, do this. Most of the work has been carried out on rats and mice. In a number of experiments, infection with Toxoplasma appears to make the rodents less frightened by the smell of cat urine. Some studies even hint at an attraction to the scent of their killer. (I’ve written about some of the research in recent years here and here.)

https://carlzimmer.com/the-great-puppet-master-debate/

The Great Puppet-Master Debate, Carl Zimmer

[caption id="attachment_5632" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] IS THIS THE LAST THING THAT PARASITE-INFECTED RODENTS SEE? PHOTO BY JULIE FALK VIA CREATIVE...

https://carlzimmer.com/the-great-puppet-master-debate/

Bagpussnotbothered · 16/03/2025 08:27

We need this raised and rejected in Parliament. I'm now working during about the English equivalent- I doubt it's any better given the number of scandals in thr sector.

PriOn1 · 16/03/2025 08:25

Datun · 16/03/2025 07:56

It's like certain men have found a way to tap into some primaeval, hardwired misogyny that has only ever been papered over. It's horribly telling.

All these people blithely imagining that they are just and fair and understand equality, but deep down the hard core belief that women are mere second class support humans burns away.

And these awful, manipulative, twisted men have found a way to harness it.

James Morton has probably also been heavily influential in Scotland and some of the loudest voices at Holyrood are female. Many years ago, Scotland was more paternalistic than England, I believe, as well as tending more towards strong religious faith.

I think this current sickness is very centralized and still largely invisible, until it isn’t, as with Sandie Peggie, for example. Those I have spoken to reject this broadly, yet it is pervasive within institutions, pushed from the top down.

I saw this thread and honestly want to cry for those girls. Those who need most protection are being used and abused again, but I have no idea what I can do about it.

BeLoyalCoralHiker · 16/03/2025 08:24

I’m shocked that room sharing is ok at all, growing up I had friends who were being fostered and my understanding is that children in care have their own rooms.