Division of State and Church in respect to gender

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And the rest!

Looks like op was fishing for far right Christian’s perspective, to take to other sites and got a mini theological debate instead.

😂

Looks like op was fishing for far right Christian’s perspective, to take to other sites and got a mini theological debate instead.

😂

Is this a resurgence of the dump and run style of posters?

When a RC marries a non-RC, the kids are meant to be brought up RC. So an RC consort would have RC kids, making the heir apparent RC. Which isn't allowed.

The alternative would be for the RC consort to very publically disobey the teachings of the Church, which would bring the UK into conflict with the Vatican.

I'm sure this is correct, but I don't understand it. Queen Camilla isn't a reigning queen, only consort. So why (if she were RC would that make the Pope the head of the state not King Charles?

Sorry, I'm obviously being thick.

This is why the monarch cannot marry a Roman Catholic - because a Roman Catholic monarch would mean the Pope would be the head of the church and state.

God would still be the head of the church.

"When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

Knees bent, arms stretched, ra, ra, ra

Not that funny. The established church in England assumes that God is head of the church. The sovereign is Supreme Governor. Not a matter of belief but of law.

I think you'll find the king has a boss for whom he deputises i.e. God. This subtlety might be lost on a USian, though.😀

If anyone needs a good chuckle and hasn't seen it yet, it's worth Googling "Total Eclipse of the Heart literal version".

And on the topic of the thread, thank you to the Christian posters who have explained their take on the information in the OP.

It's interesting to learn about beliefs that I don't hold from the perspective of those who do, including gender identity belief - the fact that there is no official "truth" about life, the universe and everything is what makes it all interesting (obviously it goes beyond being interesting and quickly into harmful impacts when/if a belief becomes something we are expected to accommodate as fact).

Every now and then I fall apart...

And we are back to the cat cult ...

The Equality Act 2010's definition of a woman as "a female of any age" refers to sex, not gender. So in the UK, this question is irrelevant.

Trump's Executive Orders that talk about the large and small gametes reflect the objective fact that no one who ejaculates sperm can release eggs, and vice-versa. These EOs apply only to living people. The Galatians passage you quote refers to Heaven, the putative residence of the righteous faithful after death. Trump's EOs reflecting material reality for the living don't interfere with people's right to believe whatever they like about what happens after death.

The Thomas passage you quote refers to treating people equally and fairly. The babies are too young to be prejudiced against others and Jesus is telling people to "be more baby" by being less prejudiced. Sex segregation in sports, prisons, changing rooms, dormitories, and loos isn't based on prejudice but on a fact-based understanding that men commit far more violent and sexual offending than women and women are vulnerable to a consequence of sexual assault that men aren't: pregnancy. In this circumstance, treating people fairly means separating the sexes under some limited circumstances to enable women to work, socialise, and meet their obligations within society without being put at preventable risk of male violence and forced pregnancy. Trump's EOs, rooted in the material reality of sex, don't conflict with Thomas, if anything they support Thomas. For the female not to be female, but be simply human, in the boardroom, she has to have a female-only bathroom, otherwise she cannot safely attend the workplace.

Being housed in the men's prison and made to try out for the men's team if he wants to compete in sport isn't stopping someone male from holding a belief, religious or otherwise, that they are non-binary or trans. It's stopping them from denying women their civil rights and forcing others to submit to that belief.