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School toilets redesign - help please

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Catabogus · 14/03/2025 08:51

I know that there are some very well-informed people here about safety of toilet designs as well as the importance of single-sex loos, so I’d love some advice on how to respond to this consultation from my DCs’ secondary school please.

The school has proposed the following:

a) Sixth form boys’ toilets and Block A’s girls’ toilets all to be replaced with new gender-neutral toilets with a wash basin in each cubicle;

b) Boys’ and girls’ toilets outside the canteen to stay single-sex but be replaced with open-plan toilet areas, improving security, access and efficiency.

c) All cubicles to be fitted with floor-to-ceiling partitions and doors, with guards fitted to doors to ensure privacy;

d) All cubicles in the female only toilets to have wash basins installed in each cubicle;

e) Enhanced CCTV monitoring of communal areas.

I am concerned about replacing single-sex loos with unisex ones in point (a) but also about the fitting of full length doors in (c) as I gather this can have safety implications too. If anyone could point me in the right direction of some material to quote in my response, I would be very grateful!

Also if there’s anything else I’ve missed that might be an issue - eg I’m not quite sure what are “open plan toilet areas” in point (b) and whether these might be problematic (I also don’t really understand how these fit with floor-to-ceiling cubicles containing wash basins).

Thank you very much indeed!

OP posts:
AnSolas · 14/03/2025 09:38

d) All cubicles in the female only toilets to have wash basins installed in each cubicle;

Space
A toilet block is designed to fit the maximum number of toilets into the smallest space.

I am assuming that the conections to the waste will not be moved
Toilet plus door + public circulation + sink which is not always the same unit number to the toilet.

I am assuming they have the standard size toilet which can hardly fit the period product disposal unit?

Toilet plus door + sink + public circulation
so how it the school proposing to fit a sink into the space plus a hand dryer plus a period product dispensing machine?

So its likely that they will need to drop a unit or too

b) Boys’ and girls’ toilets outside the canteen to stay single-sex but be replaced with open-plan toilet areas, improving security, access and efficiency.
Again what is the plan for managing girls periods are they going to add dispensing machines in the toilet unit?

What problems are they having at the moment that there is a need to open the semi-private area to the passing population?

On the plus side it will be a test to see how many boys wash their hands before going into the food area.

e) Enhanced CCTV monitoring of communal areas.
That is filed under "fuck all good" as a safeguard unless its live monitoring. If something happens they will have evidence of entry and exit into a lockable private space.

c) All cubicles to be fitted with floor-to-ceiling partitions and doors, with guards fitted to doors to ensure privacy;

For sex acts 🙄 doing drugs, assaults etc and to make sure the cleanser are having problems keeping the space clean.
And a sick student has locked themselves into a closed room

a) Sixth form boys’ toilets and Block A’s girls’ toilets all to be replaced with new gender-neutral toilets with a wash basin in each cubicle;

How nice the girls get to have a disposal unit splashed with boys urine and the school are going to install dispensing units here too.
And as an added bonus may get asked over for a quick shag during the class time.

Catabogus · 14/03/2025 09:29

Yes, I’m in England! Thanks

OP posts:
Frowningprovidence · 14/03/2025 09:18

I understand the feminism angle and there will be good advice on that here, but safety extends beyond single sex for toilets in schools. It's where a lot of pupils go to self harm and where a lot of bullying and intimidation goes on, it's also where drugs are passed around and weapons can even be stored.

So whilst focus of the single sex do also consider whether those aspects will be improved or worsened by thier proposals too.

Greyskybluesky · 14/03/2025 09:13

I'd want to know what "guards fitted to doors to ensure privacy" means and what "Enhanced CCTV monitoring" means. They might both be fine, I'd just want to know exactly what they mean.

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/03/2025 09:13

Thank you @NoBinturongsHereMate

Hope I can help OP.

Are you in England?

Suzexu · 14/03/2025 09:07

I’m in Scotland & at a local high school (which has single sex toilets) a couple of girls went to a toilet cubicle to attempt to take an overdose but were found. This won’t be uncommon. How are floor to ceiling doors safe for school kids? Especially when there are a lot of mental health issues with teens? That’s one issue that strikes me as well as the increase in sexual assaults in schools. If you’re in Scotland For Women Scotland wrote a useful report on school toilets recently:
https://forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Whats-Happening-to-Your-Childs-School-Toilets.pdf

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/03/2025 08:57

You need @Keeptoiletssafe - she has all the stats and links.