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M Newman V Met Police Employment Tribunal

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Justme56 · 11/03/2025 16:42

Just wondering if anyone is following this on TT. It’s quite bizarre. The first witness attended the Trans Training session which I gather is where the discrimination stems (see attached statement) and has been questioned by AM the barrister for the police. AM is referencing the Wikipedia page of Kellie Jay Keen as evidence. Apparently wiki is not anti gender critical. 🤷🏻‍♀️. It seems to be covering a whole host of other stuff too - quite an eye opener.

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1899460916191597049?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10x1bvutNvphHgxMtTdBc7n8s4wA2i_1u/view

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1899460916191597049?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

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Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 09:49

Just finished reading yesterday afternoon it is gob smacking that a TIM was the chair of the lesbian visibility panel, FFS

Kit the LGBTQ ++++++ lead saw no issue with that.

Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 09:46

@AlisonDonut I am pretty sure Kathleen Stock referenced research in prisons regarding motives of trans sex offenders in her submissions, in response to the self ID consultation……………….

OverpricedCupcake · 14/03/2025 09:32

Appalonia · 14/03/2025 07:04

There's my latest Terfy purchase.

PronounssheRa · 14/03/2025 09:29

I know for individuals the win in these cases is important but the real value is the sunlight, getting this stuff on public record

I've now come to the view that all staff groups that cover DEI in the public sector need strict oversight if not removing completely.

I also think it would be wise for anyone involved in any of the organisations named checked in these proceedings to make an subject access request to the Met.

AlisonDonut · 14/03/2025 09:14

Melanice' Statement - Point number 26 - in 2015 evidence to a Parliamentary
enquiry, Dr James Barrett, President of the British Association of Gender Identity
Specialists referred to “a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force [to transition amongst sex offenders] was a desire to make
subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard.”

a - If this is the case, and it has been presented to Parliament no less, then why have the police and prisons completely ignored it?

b - there's a British Association of Gender Identity Specialists? Of course there is...

https://bagis.co.uk/bagis-council/

They even have a 'community scrutineer' post.

I searched for 'prison' on their pages and lo and behold, cannot find any references to this plethora of research.

I did find the statement to the Parliamentary Inquiry though - https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/57375/html/

The criminal justice system merits quite a bit of thinking about. On the one hand, many of us can remember patients who were charged with crimes, convicted and who ended up on the sex offenders register when we thought that the same thing wouldn’t have happened if they weren’t a trans person. A good example would be the transwoman charged with sexual assault after some brief fellatio with two males who were two and three years younger than her own age at the time (she was eighteen). They were visitors to the area and boasted to their cousin of their recent sexual encounter. The cousin, enlightening them as to the nature of the person they had had a sexual encounter with, caused them to feel embarrassed. One thing led to another and the patient was charged with sexual assault. Given that she was in a kneeling position at the time and that it would have been perfectly possible for either one of the males concerned to run away this seemed a bit implausible. In the end, she was convicted of being reckless as regard to age. This does place her on the sex offenders register, though. One suspects that she would never have been charged at all if she had been a born female.

The converse is the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system and even (in one very well evidenced case that a highly concerned Prison Governor brought particularly to my attention) a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard. I am sure that the Governor concerned would be happy to talk about this.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/03/2025 08:49

Saba Ali “ … When will these banshees stop?!”

Banshees, eh? Interesting choice.

I'm sure Ali only meant 'annoying screeching woman', in a charmingly sexist way. But banshees are not simply an expression of grief - they are also a warning. We will stop only when the danger has passed.

RhannionKPSS · 14/03/2025 08:23

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 22:14

Some sage advice for, well, anyone who needs it:

https://x.com/helensaxby11/status/1900221853756457458?s=46

“You should live your life as though a future will come when the reasons behind all your decisions will be open to cross-examination by Naomi Cunningham 😐”

🫡

This is fantastic advice 😄

GufferyWooWoo · 14/03/2025 08:17

I’m going to post a link to this interview of NC in Holyrood because I thought it was great (I am sure it is already on here multiple times):
https://www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,naomi-cunningham-im-fuelled-by-rage-and-ive-been-lucky

I wonder what the most surprising/shocking piece of evidence to come out of disclosure in these cases might be? It might be turning up this week, by the look of things:

Naomi Cunningham: I’m fuelled by rage, and I’ve been lucky

As the issue of sex and gender plays out in UK courts and judges wrestle with the vexed question of ‘what is a woman’, b...

https://www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,naomi-cunningham-im-fuelled-by-rage-and-ive-been-lucky

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/03/2025 08:01

lcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2025 00:11

The Telegraph

https://archive.ph/L2619

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/13/met-police-trans-row-pride-jk-rowling/

I've not been on MN much today but I caught this article and thought there would be a thread. From reading the last few posts I think the article doesn't tell the half of it.

From the article

Saba Ali “ … When will these banshees stop?!”

Never
We will never stop speaking out, we will never stop fighting back, we will never accept this. Women = Adult Female Human.

Appalonia · 14/03/2025 07:02

This is great! By BirdyRose on Twitter.

M Newman V Met Police Employment Tribunal
Appalonia · 14/03/2025 05:58

It's just unbelievable.. Yet explains so much...

lcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2025 00:11

The Telegraph

https://archive.ph/L2619

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/13/met-police-trans-row-pride-jk-rowling/

I've not been on MN much today but I caught this article and thought there would be a thread. From reading the last few posts I think the article doesn't tell the half of it.

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2025 00:05

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 22:14

Some sage advice for, well, anyone who needs it:

https://x.com/helensaxby11/status/1900221853756457458?s=46

“You should live your life as though a future will come when the reasons behind all your decisions will be open to cross-examination by Naomi Cunningham 😐”

🫡

I'm sure Montaigne said something about no-one being a harsher judge of himself than himself, but I've just spent 20 mins trying to find the exact quote and can't find it.. Angry
But if Michel de Montaigne did say that, it was only because he was never cross-examined by Naomi CunninghamGrin

Hoydenish · 13/03/2025 22:18

AlisonDonut · 13/03/2025 22:08

We did wonder if a certain officer who just didn't know anything was sent here to infiltrate MN.

Ugh yes indeed we did. Shudder.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 22:14

Some sage advice for, well, anyone who needs it:

https://x.com/helensaxby11/status/1900221853756457458?s=46

“You should live your life as though a future will come when the reasons behind all your decisions will be open to cross-examination by Naomi Cunningham 😐”

🫡

AlisonDonut · 13/03/2025 22:08

We did wonder if a certain officer who just didn't know anything was sent here to infiltrate MN.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 13/03/2025 19:39

Bannedontherun · 12/03/2025 00:01

This is so very bizarre it was more like a trans rights rally rather than an informative or educational seminar.

I cannot get my head around why the senior police would deem it something that should be provided in works time.

Again the defence seems to be thus far that the witness and anyone associated with GC views is a right wing fascist.

Also to add i do not think that a meeting of gender critical police booing and hissing about, i dunno erm Butler or some other such twat would be an appropriate works time activity either.

its just plain strange.

It's super speshul, cos ✨trans✨.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 19:38

NC has given us another label to use - CLAW:

https://x.com/suladoyle/status/1900203798292820249?s=46

“Naomi Cunningham at the Croydon employment tribunal M Newman v Metropolitan Police: describes feminist groups as ‘Conspicuously Law-Abiding Women’ - welcome to CLAW.”

Are you a CLAW?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2025 19:21

Hopefully there'll be a flurry of FOIs to discover just how much time the Counter Terrorism police spent spying on women at the request of all the trans extremists in the Met.

GufferyWooWoo · 13/03/2025 17:57

Eek, my app has just changed/been updated. Maya has posted some excerpts from some of the partially redacted minutes of meetings; quite extraordinary.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/03/2025 17:30

grass roots women’s rights orgs - who were ‘cleverly acting lawfully’

With that level of dastardly sneakiness, they probably need MI5, and maybe even 6, as well as counter terrorism. Acting within the law, indeed. Shocking. Whatever next?

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 16:45

I’ve just been reading over MN’s statement & catching up with what’s been covered today. My jaw is on the floor at the extent of infiltration within the Met Police. The layers of it, the casualness of the witness being asked about the trans network group asking for police counter terrorism to monitor ‘anti-trans’ groups aka grass roots women’s rights orgs - who were ‘cleverly acting lawfully’ by meeting, talking, advocating for women’s rights already legislated for.

I have no idea if the case has merits in terms of allowing for harassment of GC staff, enduring a hostile & discriminatory work environment etc. but if the case fails on a technicality, at the very least there should be a lot of reflection & investigation into the rampant misogyny that has been repackaged into ‘progressive’ trans rights supremacy. They dominate so many strands it’s mind blowing.

No wonder the suspect search policies keep coming back after women complain. They’ll always hit into a larping bloke(s) on ‘advisory panels’ given free rein to frame women’s objections as ‘discriminatory’ to the larping blokes.

At least we know now why women’s meetings have been left exposed to dangerous, aggressive, intimidating larping blokes as long as we’ve been speaking up.

MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2025 15:44

RethinkingLife · 13/03/2025 13:59

NC is starting after lunch.

😂😂😂

Justme56 · 13/03/2025 15:33

NC currently questioning the PO who I think organised TDoV. Looking at minutes of Trans/NB forum regarding comments on GC Groups. It’s worth a look.

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1900184764407042404?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1900184764407042404?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

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