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M Newman V Met Police Employment Tribunal

231 replies

Justme56 · 11/03/2025 16:42

Just wondering if anyone is following this on TT. It’s quite bizarre. The first witness attended the Trans Training session which I gather is where the discrimination stems (see attached statement) and has been questioned by AM the barrister for the police. AM is referencing the Wikipedia page of Kellie Jay Keen as evidence. Apparently wiki is not anti gender critical. 🤷🏻‍♀️. It seems to be covering a whole host of other stuff too - quite an eye opener.

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1899460916191597049?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10x1bvutNvphHgxMtTdBc7n8s4wA2i_1u/view

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1899460916191597049?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

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Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 17:13

It does go a long way in explaining why the police have failed to intervene when TRA’s declare violence on a loud speaker, and they fail to protect the CLAW women

Appalonia · 14/03/2025 17:10

I mean I know we knew the police were captured but I just don't have words to say how appalling this is! Literally jaw dropping.

BettyBooper · 14/03/2025 16:35

WY - same email second para Sgt E QandA
In that para, the C wrote you said there was no misogny in police. The female police officers are just as bad as the men. Did you say that
I did not say that
WY - is that a view you hold
KE - no
WY - so misogyny is deep seated?
KE - yes [discusses history of women in police]
WY - can you see how lang used at that session led the C to think there was a problem with misogyny

BettyBooper · 14/03/2025 16:29

WY - Will Young, barrister for claimant
KE - Karl Eccott, Metropolitan Police Officer

WY - C says you call M Thatcher a bitch. You have given this talk a number of times, you say, and do you accept you used this on the occasion the C says?
KE - could have
KE- I accept some people use this as a misog term. However I am not misoginistic.#
KE - you were using it about a woman
WY - do you accept that it is not approp to use this about a woman
KE I think context is important when working with a diverse group, esp harsh treatment of LGBT community
This is how I break tension in the room
This is about creating historical awareness
WY in this context isn't even more inapprop
KE -[repeats prev answer]

WY -C says you said 'terfs were a bunch of lesbians who wrongly think it's rape if a trans woman has sexual intercourse with a woman without the tw revealing sex

OMFG

WandaSiri · 14/03/2025 16:24

It's his side hustle, for when the music and acting gigs are quiet...

GufferyWooWoo · 14/03/2025 15:54

ifIwerenotanandroid · 14/03/2025 15:31

There's a new witness. Why isn't NC questioning?

I think WY is her Junior. Good training, a case like this.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/03/2025 15:31

'NC - but all GC say TiM should never compete (in women's sports) is that inher transphobic?
KM - umm yea, that is transphobic, it ignores realities of biology and gender aff healthcare.'

OMG, WTF, apart from being the TQties lead in the Met is she also an actual serving police officer?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 14/03/2025 15:31

There's a new witness. Why isn't NC questioning?

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 15:26

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/03/2025 14:44

A reminder for new readers that this is not the SEEN police account. It's a TRA pretending to be them. The real SEEN has complained repeatedly to TwiX, but they won't take it down.

Thanks - yes I should have said that.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/03/2025 14:44

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 13:43

I think these people assume women don’t have better things to do with their time?

x.com/SEENpoliceUK/status/1900165945026286022

A reminder for new readers that this is not the SEEN police account. It's a TRA pretending to be them. The real SEEN has complained repeatedly to TwiX, but they won't take it down.

Conxis · 14/03/2025 14:38

Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 13:58

KM is Kit Moore LGBTQIA++++++ lead at the Met clearly a total pillock

Is this the witness they wanted to keep anonymous, I wonder????

crumpet · 14/03/2025 14:13

It’s been a fascinating read this afternoon

Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 13:58

KM is Kit Moore LGBTQIA++++++ lead at the Met clearly a total pillock

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 13:43

I think these people assume women don’t have better things to do with their time?

x.com/SEENpoliceUK/status/1900165945026286022

BettyBooper · 14/03/2025 13:43

Yes, bonkers. This bit...

'NC - but all GC say TiM should never compete (in women's sports) is that inher transphobic?
KM - umm yea, that is transphobic, it ignores realities of biology and gender aff healthcare.'

Eh??

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 13:42

Appalonia · 14/03/2025 13:37

Is anyone reading TT today? It's beyond belief what is being said. The witness, KM ( I'm not sure who that is ), has described both the Suffragette flag and objecting to men in women's sports as transphobic! And they really cannot see how biased they are...

Thats a naive thing to say isn’t it - own goal stuff - because if that is true then it confirms that the reverse can also be true - that the wearing of rainbow lanyards and pronoun badges are offensive and harassing. Nil point for thinking that through

Appalonia · 14/03/2025 13:37

Is anyone reading TT today? It's beyond belief what is being said. The witness, KM ( I'm not sure who that is ), has described both the Suffragette flag and objecting to men in women's sports as transphobic! And they really cannot see how biased they are...

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 14/03/2025 11:43

Was there a fundraiser for this case? Hopefully it will get more media coverage.

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 11:25

Sold!
I’ll be parading mine around as soon as it arrives.

How peculiar that to be “within the law” is worthy of suspicion and Investigation.

How about they get on with investigating the 2186 cases of rape or sexual assault carried out every day in the UK? I suppose that requires a bit more effort and dealing with nasty people. Easier to pick on law abiding women.

AlisonDonut · 14/03/2025 11:15

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 11:09

My boss’ work version was similar - write every email as though it will be read out in court for you to explain. Sharpens your thinking. Shame most of these people weren’t given the same advice

In the last organisation I worked at, which was a long standing QUANGO for one particular industry, and one company who was legally obliged to hand over money to them, who didn't want to, was renouned for FOIing almost on a weekly basis any documents/emails/notes that mentioned their name.

I had written on my monitor WWXD which stood for What Would X [the company] Do...with anything you put in writing. So I never wrote their name down. Ever. I also never wrote anything down that could be used by them if they got wind of it. I still won't write it!

KnottyAuty · 14/03/2025 11:09

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/03/2025 22:14

Some sage advice for, well, anyone who needs it:

https://x.com/helensaxby11/status/1900221853756457458?s=46

“You should live your life as though a future will come when the reasons behind all your decisions will be open to cross-examination by Naomi Cunningham 😐”

🫡

My boss’ work version was similar - write every email as though it will be read out in court for you to explain. Sharpens your thinking. Shame most of these people weren’t given the same advice

BeLemonNow · 14/03/2025 11:04

Eeek any 'biological male' advocating that they should be allowed to intimately search 'same perceived gender' which means not just woman but teenagers and young girls should be raising massive red flags not given an official platform. And incredibly some police forces are allowing this to happen if they have a GRC. Because the officer is 'legally' that gender. It is unbelievable.

Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 10:10

AlisonDonut · 14/03/2025 10:06

Yes but you'd think an organisation that made presentations in a parliamentary inquiry would reference the research they themselves referenced.

Yes i agree.

AlisonDonut · 14/03/2025 10:06

Bannedontherun · 14/03/2025 09:46

@AlisonDonut I am pretty sure Kathleen Stock referenced research in prisons regarding motives of trans sex offenders in her submissions, in response to the self ID consultation……………….

Yes but you'd think an organisation that made presentations in a parliamentary inquiry would reference the research they themselves referenced.