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St John Ambulance and people with breasts

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CrossPurposes · 11/03/2025 12:07

https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/how-to/how-to-do-cpr-and-use-a-defibrillator-on-a-person-with-breasts/

I think I know what they are saying that it is the embarrassment of performing CPR near breasts (real and false) that is the factor in care not being given but the language is so insulting.

How to do CPR and use a defibrillator on a person with breasts

Learn more about our CPR bra campaign and how to do CPR and use a defibrillator on a woman or person with breasts. Help us save more women's lives.

https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/how-to/how-to-do-cpr-and-use-a-defibrillator-on-a-person-with-breasts

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2025 13:21

Fully agree @MarieDeGournay. It's an important campaign. But as always in the hands of trans captured charities, an important initiative aimed at saving women's lives is sabotaged in favour of pandering to men who hate women.
(see maternity care, cancer charities, therapists etc)

2BeHeard · 11/03/2025 13:20

Absolutely disgusting. The word "Men" should be replaced with "people without breasts" to be a likewise term. The misogyny is shocking and I'm tempted to write to them and complain.

rosemarble · 11/03/2025 13:18

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I was a St John Cadet back in the 80s. How things have changed.

MarieDeGournay · 11/03/2025 13:16

Shame on whoever put in the words 'People with breasts', but in fairness, the aim of the exercise is not misogynistic, it is to make sure that women get CPR when they need it, and to train paramedics to be prepared to do CPR on women's bodies - even women's bodies where the breasts are bound.

I think basically this is a positive idea, ruined by the 'PWB' thing - paramedics may occasionally encounter a male 'person with breasts', but these CPR/defib instructions wouldn't be any different because the 'breasts' were attached to a male body.
So they'd use their common sense 'oh - this is a man with breasts - right - let's get going' and proceed with the correct CPR/defib-with-breasts procedure, regardless of the sex of the casualty. Ditto finding that the 'male' casualty is a woman wearing a binder, so again: proceed with the correct CPR/defib-with-breasts procedure.

'Woman' would have worked perfectly well instead of 'PWBs', and it wouldn't have drawn this negative attention towards something that is positive for women.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2025 13:11

One can only assume that the ejaculators in charge at St Johns are using this campaign as an opportunity to express their distaste / dislike for women? Unable to contemplate using the word woman in relation to bodies and biology. Not fit for purpose are they?

CrossPurposes · 11/03/2025 13:09

musicalfrog · 11/03/2025 12:47

Why not say person without breasts rather than men?

It's the double standard that gets me.

Precisely. If the inclusive type people can't see the double standards here then we are lost (actually we are lost).

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NameChangedOfc · 11/03/2025 13:03

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Merrymouse · 11/03/2025 13:02

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2025 12:55

The giveaway to their misogyny is the headline:
"People with breasts are statistically less likely to receive bystander CPR than men, let's change that".

In one sentence they've reduced over 50% of the population to being "people with breasts" while men, as usual, are simply men.

Shame on them.

It doesn't even make sense, because from this point of view 'men' includes people who would be wearing binders.

Springtimefordaffs · 11/03/2025 12:58

I really thought we were getting past this nonsense.
Given me an idea for a name change sometime, tootits.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2025 12:55

The giveaway to their misogyny is the headline:
"People with breasts are statistically less likely to receive bystander CPR than men, let's change that".

In one sentence they've reduced over 50% of the population to being "people with breasts" while men, as usual, are simply men.

Shame on them.

TickingAlongNicely · 11/03/2025 12:49

Being charitable i thought they were meaning large breasts.

Since men and children also have breasts. Just flatter ones.

musicalfrog · 11/03/2025 12:47

Why not say person without breasts rather than men?

It's the double standard that gets me.

Merrymouse · 11/03/2025 12:44

CrossPurposes · 11/03/2025 12:07

https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/how-to/how-to-do-cpr-and-use-a-defibrillator-on-a-person-with-breasts/

I think I know what they are saying that it is the embarrassment of performing CPR near breasts (real and false) that is the factor in care not being given but the language is so insulting.

Yes, I sympathise with some of the sentiment - they are pointing out that it will be necessary to touch breasts and remove upper clothing to use a defibrillator.

I'm less sympathetic with their use of bra and binder interchangeably. One is a health risk, the other isn't. It's not even as though all women wear bras. They should just say remove all clothing.

Fundamentally, the reason for the hesitancy is the perception that the other person is a woman.

NPET · 11/03/2025 12:18

"person with breasts"

Hey - that's me.

I think...