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Morning Star; a wake-up call for the trade union movement (Sandie Peggie case)

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IDareSay · 09/03/2025 11:22

This article is a breath of fresh air; see how correctly sexing those involved in the case makes it so easy to understand?

If only all journalists would do the same.
(Morning Start have published numerous GC articles)

"Sandie Peggie’s claim against NHS Fife is for sexual harassment, belief discrimination and victimisation. A nurse with 30 years’ service, she objected to sharing a female changing room at the Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy with a male doctor who identifies as a woman. Her employer’s policy meant her single-sex changing room was now mixed sex."

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/wake-call-trade-union-movement

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zanahoria · 24/07/2025 12:45

An NHS hospital in Darlington has been warned that its policy of allowing men who identify as women to use female changing rooms breaks the law.

The Royal College of Nursing warned County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust that Darlington Memorial Hospital was in breach of Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, which require the provision of single-sex changing facilities for men and women.

The RCN has highlighted that the 1992 regulations required “the provision of single-sex changing facilities for men and women – the only exception being where the provision is of single lockable rooms (not cubicles)”.

The letter, sent on 27 March, added that “the regulations also appear to have been overlooked by other organisations”, and stated that the college “expects the trust to comply with these statutory provisions and provide single-sex changing rooms without delay”.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/rcn-warns-darlington-nhs-trust-over-single-sex-spaces-transgender/

THe RCN does not look completely captured

RCN warns Darlington NHS trust over single-sex spaces

The Royal College of Nursing has warned an NHS trust in Darlington that its policy on providing changing rooms breaches rules.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/rcn-warns-darlington-nhs-trust-over-single-sex-spaces-transgender/

UpDo · 24/07/2025 12:28

illinivich · 10/03/2025 09:47

I noticed they were particularly annoyed at a left wing publication noticing the class power dynamic.

Edited

They get very upset when a British person or institution does something that doesn't fall within their preferred, US culturally imperialist, left wing= pro trans right wing= GC analysis. The existence of far left gender criticals is inconvenient.

Arran2024 · 24/07/2025 11:53

Unions will refuse to represent members who are considered to have broken union policies. They won't support someone who is considered to have been racist, and they won't support someone who is considered transphobic.

SexMatters84 · 23/07/2025 08:32

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 09:41

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Advice/2021/September/Legal-update-gender-critical-views-and-belief-protection

Gosh, the RCN is captured.

'This is an important decision, but it does not mean that trans people are not protected under the Equality Act 2010. The EAT pointed out that it does not mean those with gender critical views can misgender trans people with impunity and it does not mean that employers will not be able to provide a safe environment for trans people. It does, however, demonstrate the extremity of beliefs that will be excluded from amounting to a belief with reference to the Equality Act. '

I was more generous in my reading of that article back in 2021 😁
I hoped it showed that at least some legal people at RCN recognised the importance of Forstater EAT and that activists/reps couldn't simply refuse to support a member because of suspicions of 'transphobia'.
Sadly my assessment has proved to be wrong as shown by RCN treatment of Darlington Nurses Union and SP.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 23/07/2025 08:30

wantmorenow · 09/03/2025 12:02

Please God let the unions wake up and support women. Hadn't realised RCN had refused to support Ms Peggie.

I don’t know of any union, apart from the new Darlington nursing union, that does support women in these circumstances.

We need a big national discussion about this. And not just the unions but the whole establishment: government, NHS, education sector, the whole lot. Women’s rights have been dropped like a bit of litter,.

OuterSpaceCadet · 22/07/2025 14:45

Jfc the word "panties" makes me want to vom. Such a man word, and never used by the kind of man you'd want anywhere near your underwear. Creepy.

tartyflette · 22/07/2025 14:40

And the extraordinarily careful stepping around or over statements such as the following
During my teens I used to borrow clothes from my mums closet (and those of my sister that fitted) even just a pair of ordinary panties made me feel somehow calm and relaxed'
...which aim to conceal the basic sexual element of cross dressing for many men. They get aroused by putting on 'female' clothing, they masturbate and are then 'calm and relaxed.'
(And similarly by using womens' toilets and changing rooms too -- a well known transwoman posted to this effect recently. It was thrilling, apparently. )

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 18:38

GailBlancheViola · 11/03/2025 18:31

During my teens I used to borrow clothes from my mums closet (and those of m,y sister that fitted) even just a pair of ordinary panties made me feel somehow calm and relaxed'

Why oh why do some women fete and fawn over these frankly creepy men? Would they do the same for a man who stole their underwear from the washing line? And this is worse.

Why do some women want men such as this to have full access to women undressing? Why do some women think this acceptable?

What is being advocated for is simple it is that women MUST remove their clothes in front of men who wish them to do so.

Slow hand clap for all the women supporting and promoting this.

Yes. I'm so over it.

The enablers need to grow up.

GailBlancheViola · 11/03/2025 18:31

During my teens I used to borrow clothes from my mums closet (and those of m,y sister that fitted) even just a pair of ordinary panties made me feel somehow calm and relaxed'

Why oh why do some women fete and fawn over these frankly creepy men? Would they do the same for a man who stole their underwear from the washing line? And this is worse.

Why do some women want men such as this to have full access to women undressing? Why do some women think this acceptable?

What is being advocated for is simple it is that women MUST remove their clothes in front of men who wish them to do so.

Slow hand clap for all the women supporting and promoting this.

BabaYagasHouse · 11/03/2025 15:16

@ArabellaScott I have pm'd you with a query

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 12:29

I'd also be asking them why they have published articles by Liz Curr. Liz Curr is open about his transvestitic fetishism.

'During my teens I used to borrow clothes from my mums closet (and those of m,y sister that fitted) even just a pair of ordinary panties made me feel somehow calm and relaxed'

Curr's Facebook 'likes' are also instructive. (They are public, anyone can view them.)

And here is 'Liz' talking about pronouns in RCN magazine:

'I ask students to question their own assumptions. Where did your ideas of male/female and feminine/masculine come from? How do you interact with people whose sexuality or gender differs from your own? We’ve got to undo a lot of what we already know.'

https://archive.ph/nfCww

Curr also presented at Congress:

  • Liz Curr will be presenting a matter for discussion at RCN Congress 2022 about access to care for transgender and non-binary patients.
  • Liz was awarded Diversity and Inclusion Champion of the Year at the 2021 Nursing Times Workforce Awards.
Codlingmoths · 11/03/2025 12:29

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 12:21

If I was an RCN member, I'd be asking them if they'll affiliate with the Darlington Nursing Union, and if not, why not.

This- please someone do!

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 12:21

If I was an RCN member, I'd be asking them if they'll affiliate with the Darlington Nursing Union, and if not, why not.

Manxexile · 11/03/2025 12:13

wantmorenow · 09/03/2025 12:02

Please God let the unions wake up and support women. Hadn't realised RCN had refused to support Ms Peggie.

I haven't read the article yet but I don't understand why - if somebody's union refuses to help that person because of their gender critical beliefs - the union can't be sued for discrimination on the grounds of protected belief.

You pay union subs on the basis that they will assist you in employment matters. I don't see how they can get away with refusing to help you because you hold a protected belief under the Equality Act.

Claimants need to start including their "refusnik" unions as defendants/respondents

Teencentral · 11/03/2025 11:48

Very clear article, as an RCN member I don't know which union to go to, and I know with my colleagues that I am not alone with this )

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 11:39

Holy moly!

I'm just having a look at some of the people they're celebrating. Colourful, to say the least.

BadSkiingMum · 11/03/2025 11:23

I am not remotely a reader of The Morning Star but that article is breathtaking in its clarity.

The RCN has its own deep-rooted issues: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/10/bullying-misogyny-and-sexual-culture-at-royal-college-of-nursing-inquiry-finds

Apparently so much sexual activity went on at the annual congress that investigators were brought in and the RCN was compelled to hold it online instead.

Bullying, misogyny and sexual culture at Royal College of Nursing, inquiry finds

Exclusive: Internal report at nurses’ union finds male-dominated governing body ‘not fit for purpose’

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/10/bullying-misogyny-and-sexual-culture-at-royal-college-of-nursing-inquiry-finds

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 11:12

Here's an interesting snippet from the RCN 'fair care for trans and non binary people':

'Children

Gender-variant children and young people should be accorded the same respect for their self-defined (or true) gender as trans and non-binary adults are, regardless of their internal or external sex characteristics, including genitals.

Where there is no segregation in respect of issues like accomodation, as is often the case with children, there may be no requirement to treat a young gender-variant person any differently from other children and young people.

Where segregation is needed, then this should be in accordance with the dress, preferred name/and or stated gender identity of the child or young person'

(my bold)

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Get-Involved/Campaign-with-us/Pride-in-Nursing

Pride In Nursing | Campaigns | Royal College of Nursing

Find out how you can work with us to promote equality of opportunity for LGBTQ+ staff and patients and raise awareness.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Get-Involved/Campaign-with-us/Pride-in-Nursing

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 09:41

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Advice/2021/September/Legal-update-gender-critical-views-and-belief-protection

Gosh, the RCN is captured.

'This is an important decision, but it does not mean that trans people are not protected under the Equality Act 2010. The EAT pointed out that it does not mean those with gender critical views can misgender trans people with impunity and it does not mean that employers will not be able to provide a safe environment for trans people. It does, however, demonstrate the extremity of beliefs that will be excluded from amounting to a belief with reference to the Equality Act. '

Legal update: gender critical views and belief protection | RCN Magazines | Royal College of Nursing

A recent case addresses how belief and religion is protected under the Equality Act 2010, and how this interacts with views on gender

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Advice/2021/September/Legal-update-gender-critical-views-and-belief-protection

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 09:27

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Professional-Development/publications/rcn-fair-care-trans-non-binary-uk-pub-009430

'* RESOURCE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW ** This resource is designed to help nursing staff respond to the needs of service users who identify as trans or non-binary, in both the NHS and independent sectors. '

Fair Care for Trans and Non-binary People| Royal College of Nursing

Fair Care for Trans and Non-binary People

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Professional-Development/publications/rcn-fair-care-trans-non-binary-uk-pub-009430

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2025 09:26

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/03/2025 12:48

No.

Actually this is interesting:

'DNU has also written to Professor Nicola Ranger, the General Secretary and Chief Executive of the Royal College of Nursing (RCN), which is the biggest nursing trade union in the UK, asking for affiliation with RCN and for its support.'

October last year. I wonder if they got a response?

https://christianconcern.com/news/darlington-nurses-launch-first-of-its-kind-trade-union-protecting-women/

Darlington nurses launch first-of-its-kind trade union protecting women - Christian Concern

NHS nurses have launched the Darlington Nursing Union (DNU) after a hospital forced them to undress in front of a man who ‘identifies’ as a woman but openly says he is sexually active with his girlfriend. The story is front page news today.    NHS poli...

https://christianconcern.com/news/darlington-nurses-launch-first-of-its-kind-trade-union-protecting-women/

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 11/03/2025 01:04

Nick Wallis comments on parallels of the indifference of Postmasters Union.

The ignorance and indifference of the Postmasters union was a significant factor in perpetuating the Post Office scandal. It is happening in plain sight with gender. Unite, Unison etc are being wilfully blind to the truth. It’s facile, moronic and unfair.

https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1898693081785913604?

https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1898693081785913604

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/03/2025 12:48

BuntyBeaufort · 10/03/2025 12:44

Excuse my ignorance, but is the RCN supporting the Darlington nurses?

No.

BuntyBeaufort · 10/03/2025 12:44

Excuse my ignorance, but is the RCN supporting the Darlington nurses?