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Governor of California Changes His Tune: He Agrees Men and Boys Don't Belong In Women's Sports

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Delphinium20 · 06/03/2025 20:55

I always believed it would be sports that would peak the U.S. Terf Island has your women's rights activists (love them!) and non-profit medicine (Cass Report). Americans have their sense of fairness for all, especially in sports. If the governor of the largest state in the country ( $4.2 trillion GDP, an economy larger than most countries including the UK), has just said he thinks it's grossly unfair for boys to be in girls' sports, well, that's a pretty big deal.

Newsom can be critiqued for a lot (he put men in women's prisons and supported keeping secret children's transitions from their parents) but his change indicates a massive shift for the Democrats. He, obviously, wants to be president, so he's staking his "I was here first" claim on a topic that he's fully aware shows Americans are 70-80% against transwomen in women's sports. Yes, feminists said it first, but I'll take this win if it means Democrats can stop pretending men can be women. It's obnoxious we had to lose to Trump to get here, but I'm celebrating today.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250306183716/www.nytimes.com/2025/03/06/us/politics/gavin-newsom-transgender-sports-democrats.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20250306183716/www.nytimes.com/2025/03/06/us/politics/gavin-newsom-transgender-sports-democrats.html

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CaveMum · 08/03/2025 10:22

Looks like someone from the “left” (let’s face it, most Dems would be considered centre right in the UK) is throwing their hat in the ring for 2028.

However, I really do think it would be a mistake for them to nominate another Californian - the Republicans will tar them with the “liberal coastal elite” brush. Whether we like it or not, the next Democratic nominee needs to be white, straight, male and location-wise from “one of the ones in the middle”.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2025 10:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2025 09:36

BBC report. I actually found Newsom's admission that Trump's they/them campaign was 'devastating' even more significant.

'The governor referred to a viral Trump campaign ad that had the tagline: "Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you."
"It was devastating," Newsom said. "And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.'

Sounds like someone within the Democrats has admitted that this issue was one of the major reasons Trump won. They seem to have been in complete denial up to now.

Wow! That's progress.

It is really interesting.

It is like watching the realisation that gender identity theory was being rejected as the priority over sex when sex matters is a universal belief (ie it is across the political divide) dawn on some MPs influential in the Labour Party.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2025 09:36

BBC report. I actually found Newsom's admission that Trump's they/them campaign was 'devastating' even more significant.

'The governor referred to a viral Trump campaign ad that had the tagline: "Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you."
"It was devastating," Newsom said. "And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.'

Sounds like someone within the Democrats has admitted that this issue was one of the major reasons Trump won. They seem to have been in complete denial up to now.

Wow! That's progress.

Lovelyview · 08/03/2025 09:16

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz03ye4j8rzo

BBC report. I actually found Newsom's admission that Trump's they/them campaign was 'devastating' even more significant.

'The governor referred to a viral Trump campaign ad that had the tagline: "Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you."
"It was devastating," Newsom said. "And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.'

Sounds like someone within the Democrats has admitted that this issue was one of the major reasons Trump won. They seem to have been in complete denial up to now.

Gavin Newsom speaking at an event wearing a white button-down shirt and suit jacket

California's Gavin Newsom says trans athletes in female sports 'deeply unfair'

Gavin Newsom faces a backlash from within his party as he agrees with a conservative activist on the cultural issue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz03ye4j8rzo

SnoopyPajamas · 08/03/2025 00:03

The rarely-spotted Blue Californian variety, no less. My, my.

SnoopyPajamas · 08/03/2025 00:01

Ah, one of the wonders of the natural world - the reversing ferret

Helleofabore · 07/03/2025 19:50

Has this been shared? Apologies if it has

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/07/senate-democrats-transgender-womens-sports

Senate Democrats punt on trans rights in women's sports

It is an interesting read. Here also is Cathy Devines tweets about it.

x.com/cathydevine56/status/1897992308416450892?s=46

'Democrats privately admit they need a sharper response to counter Republican attacks on their support for transgender rights, especially when it involves sports.'

'Some Senate Democrats agreed with Newsom on the sports fairness issue, but they said to be careful that the overall conversation doesn't demonize transgender athletes. They also want to avoid federal overreach.'

It's interesting that 'The Democratic messaging effort has been spearheaded by Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.)'
'Baldwin, the first openly gay person elected to the Senate, faced a barrage of attacks on the topic in her 2024 reelection campaign.'

She seems to have accepted this is an issue. But says 'I trust parents, schools and local sports leagues to make these decisions for their children'. This is a cop out. It means those with the loudest voices will win out.

Parents, schools & local sports leagues should not have to weigh the scientific evidence & navigate tricky political & lobbying waters, school by school & league by league. We already know girls are silenced in this debate.

Please learn from the UK. @SenateDems need to take a leadership position. Come out calmly & clearly for fairness & safety for women & girls in sex-affected sports. In contrast with Republicans insist on anti-bullying policies for boys & men with trans identities in male sport.

As for:
'There's no one set of facts.'
Er ... yes there is. Males take M performance advantage into F sport. Even if T suppressed.
'These are going to be pretty complicated situations.' No. They really are not. There are 2 sexes & 2 sex categories. For very good reasons.

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Delphinium20 · 07/03/2025 18:10

“It’s disgusting,” said Lori Lightfoot, the former Chicago mayor. “There are kids waking up today in California with this news thinking that their governor hates them, and rightly so.”

Frankly, I put a great deal of blame on the adults who tell children that people hate them for their gender identity. This is top-down and is a form of psychological abuse. The vast, vast majority of people do not hate children or young adults caught up in this, especially when it's obvious they may have ASD or ADHD or are just quirky or possibly gay. Many of us see the trans children who've gone through abuse or a traumatic event and have nothing but compassion for them. We don't hate children because we don't want them to cheat (boys in girls' sports) or we don't want them given puberty blockers and hormones.

I do, however, hate the adults who spout these claims.

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kiterunning · 07/03/2025 17:36

Wow this could be a game changer.
At last the tide is turning within the Democrat Party.

miri1985 · 07/03/2025 16:26

Amazing isn't it that they can't look over the pond and see how no debate went in the UK. If you declare that even talking about the issue means that you hate trans children that doesn't shut down the conversation but it shows that you have no argument as to why this is fair.

I would respect them so much more if they just admitted that its not fair but that they've chosen to prioritise trans children as a form of affirmative action. Affirmative action is incredibly politically unpopular but I'd respect them much more if they just admitted what they were up to instead of making bad faith arguments about hatred or genital inspections

TheFlyingHorse · 07/03/2025 14:54

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2025 14:39

'Politico has not one, not two, but FIVE reporters covering the fallout of Gavin Newsom’s comments about men in women’s sports during my interview with him. Lori Lightfoot says he’s “disgusting.” Sacramento is in an uproar. Democrats all over the country say that this issue is a litmus test for the party going forward. Democrats simply cannot handle taking an L in the culture war.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1897800116138131480

The hyperbole in that Politico piece is absolutely unhinged. All about how hurt the trans children will be but no consideration for safety and fairness for women.

SionnachRuadh · 07/03/2025 14:53

Lori Lightfoot. My word.

Being denounced by the worst mayor in Chicago's history is exactly the kind of reaction Newsom will have wanted to provoke.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2025 14:39

'Politico has not one, not two, but FIVE reporters covering the fallout of Gavin Newsom’s comments about men in women’s sports during my interview with him. Lori Lightfoot says he’s “disgusting.” Sacramento is in an uproar. Democrats all over the country say that this issue is a litmus test for the party going forward. Democrats simply cannot handle taking an L in the culture war.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1897800116138131480

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1897800116138131480

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2025 14:37

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/democrats-trans-sports-2028-00216585

Edit: Oh, I see this was already shared. Sorry.

SionnachRuadh · 07/03/2025 14:01

I have to think the Dems would be mad to nominate two Californian candidates in a row. Worse than that, two San Franciscans, bearing in mind how the rest of California feels about San Francisco.

On the other hand, he's capable, intelligent and opportunistic. That might be as good as it gets.

My instinct is that Shapiro would be the candidate to beat, so I'm looking to see what he says.

Abhannmor · 07/03/2025 12:43

Being a Californian he is well briefed on Latino/ Latino sentiment. Including their hatred of Latinx. On the other hand he is yet another corporate shill.

As one meme has it - ' The nothing of Clinton have us Bush. The nothing of Obama gave us Trump.'
Bittersweet.

Chersfrozenface · 07/03/2025 09:04

SionnachRuadh · 07/03/2025 08:56

Newsom is also known to be Obama's preferred presidential candidate. Would be interesting to know if Barry has had a conversation with him about this.

The next thing to watch is if the other governors thinking of running in 2028 start to reverse ferret. Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Wes Moore, over to you.

Also in 2028, the Olympics. In Los Angeles.

SionnachRuadh · 07/03/2025 08:56

Newsom is also known to be Obama's preferred presidential candidate. Would be interesting to know if Barry has had a conversation with him about this.

The next thing to watch is if the other governors thinking of running in 2028 start to reverse ferret. Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Wes Moore, over to you.

borntobequiet · 07/03/2025 08:37

It is possible to realise you’re wrong and change your mind, though.

Lots on here have done just that.

coldandfrostymorning23 · 07/03/2025 08:25

This confirms my view that Newsom,like many of his Democrat and Republican colleagues, is an unprincipled political opportunist.

I do not believe he cares about women, girls or vulnerable children. He would push them all under a bus if it boosted his ratings.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2025 07:37

miri1985 · 07/03/2025 00:51

The house democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries was asked about Newsoms change of heart given the democrats just this week opposed the women and girls in sports bill and he gave such a bizarre answer about how the democrats oppose unleashing sexual predators on girls throughout the US. Like if you oppose that then you have to be against self ID and completely pro single sex spaces

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That was absolutely bizarre. Glitching politician!

Floisme · 07/03/2025 07:31

I have to confess, I've been agog at the Democrats these last few weeks. They (the politicians not the voters) seem to have lost their minds. I hope this is the start of a return to reality,

drhf · 07/03/2025 04:46

This is huge.

Gov. Newsom was mayor of San Francisco and a big supporter of same-sex marriage long before many leading Democrats. He defied state law to marry same-sex couples in 2004.

Someone as pro-equality as Newsom having these views will make many Democrats who haven’t questioned this up till now look again at this issue. Although there has been fury from LGBT organisations, his consistent support for gay rights will also make some people ask whether LGB & T rights necessarily belong together in the way that activists have claimed.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/03/2025 03:56

miri1985 · 07/03/2025 01:56

Heres an article with more detail on what Jeffries meant by his comments, its the usual any kind of restriction will lead to genital inspections 🙄

"Asked Thursday about Newsom’s comments, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries said he hadn’t seen them but said Democrats opposed “unleashing sexual predators on girls throughout the United States of America.” Democratic leaders had dubbed the transgender sports bill the “Child Predator Empowerment Act” and argued it would lead to adults inspecting childrens’ genitals to assess their eligibility for sports."

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/democrats-trans-sports-2028-00216585

Very interesting article, the Democrats quoted in it really don't get the issue or how this is about fairness not about hyperbole or hysteria

Y'know, we have cheek swabs at elite sports level now for sex verification. At school age, just use the child's birth certificate.

The only time anyone inspected my genitals in connection with sport as a child, it was my GP because I'd met the pommel horse rather violently during PE and was bleeding from my vulva.