Kyle Clifford - TW

this is some really boring trolling.

I don't hate men for simply being men. But I, like many other women, do not trust MEN as a whole due to our lives experiences, their behaviours and so on.

The only men i hate are predators. So boohoo, they can cry over my hatred as much as they like.

I meant average man as in the very very large percentage of men who don't go around murdering women. It's very easy to get caught up in what's in the news etc but you've got to remember the vast majority dont behave like that. If they did then how on earth could women leave their homes without being deceased within a few years.

It seems there are a lot of women who hate men simply for being men. Can you imagine if women were physically stronger than men, what might happen?

What do you mean by average man?

There are literally so many sources to show that men from all backgrounds, race , ages etc commit these crimes. So yes, i think the AVERAGE man does clearly need to be de-programmed from misogynist cult views. How else can we target the 'right' men if that's not the case?

i think it’s its on all of us to stop it happening. It’s a society and cultural problem, not just a policing one.

...wow. Maybe if less men routinely victim blamed, people wouldn't think they are when they use language that is eerily close to victim blaming.

That's the negativity that 'perfectly innocent men' receive yet the negativity women receive is rape, assault and death.

The only 'hatred' between the sexes, is the one driving one to disproportionately assault the other.

So you think the average man thinks it's ok to abduct rape and murder women? and they need to be taught not to do it?

But you dont know anything about the man who made the comments either. Anyway I just didnt like the negativity being aimed at supposed perfectly innocent men. Just seems to fuel the divide between women and men and hated towards each sex.

I mean, clearly yes? Among other obvious lessons.

Have you not noticed the amount of young men who have joined an incel culture influenced by men like Andrew Tate?

So the lessons do need to be for every and all men, because if MEN don't start calling eachother out on their abhorrent behaviour they won't change. Call out their mates when they repeat misogynistic tropes, denounce the likes of Tate and co. Do you remember the group chat of police officers speaking about rape victims "asking for it" and claiming "it's not harassment if they say yes, 50 nos and 1 yes is a yes".

Police officers' group chat 'racist and sexist' - BBC News

No but there's always lots of advice for women to avoid potentially dangerous situations, obviously NAMALT but why is there no emphasis that the problem is the men that pose those dangers? (And the men that look the other way or dont call out deviant behaviour eg the police officer that was known as the rapist....as genuine nickname??)

And just about all women have behaviours that they engage to avoid a situation because it's not a small number of men that might behave like that - The Giselle pelicot case proves that

So you think the average man needs to be told not to abduct women and murder them?

I was assuming based on you being on a board about women's rights that you weren't victim blaming.

I don't know what genitalia you have so it wasn't because of that.

Well I've just said that I would use those words and you didnt jump down my throat and accuse me of victim blaming. So why not? Is it because I have a vagina and not a penis?

Saying why did she stay with him (which she didnt) as if it's something she has done wrong, or that she should have done something different

In the aftermath of Sarah Everards murder, there was a plethora of tips for women to change their behaviour.... when the onus should be on men - how about stop being violent misogynistic and murdering cunts

but that's what i mean, asking why she was with a horrendous man can IMPLY that person believes they were aware of them being horrendous. Obviously, the PP may not have meant it that way but that's how i personally took it.

It's sad we even have to have this conversation.

I see you added the bit on about "she knew what he was like" when the original poster had simply said the men asked why she was with him, you added that extra part on which does put a slightly different angle on it.

Abhorrent. I hope he dies in prison and I hope he spends the rest of his worthless life suffering.

I still dont think someone saying why was she with him is the same as saying I think it was her fault she was murdered.

it doesn't mean everyone is saying that, it's what it can imply. Many don't know the man is horrendous until too late. That's the point.

If I see a lovely woman with a horrendous man I would question why she was with him, but wouldn't then mean that if she was murdered by said man that I blamed her for it.

but then it's well documented that these men are usually very good at hiding their true selves to con women into being with them. So it does read very "well she knew what he was like, why was she with him"

And that means they think she is to blame for being murdered? I dont think so. They are just amazed that a wonderful woman would be with a guy like that.

Sounds like they asked “why did she stay with him?” In that way that people do sometimes about women hurt or killed by their partners. When the obvious answer is that she didn’t, she politely and calmly broke up with him. Then he murdered her and her family.

Did anyone else hear in the unbelievably distressing radio report yesterday afternoon that in addition to being controlling and of great concern to Louise's family and friends right from the outset, and then carrying out these unspeakable outrages because he decided he’d been 'jilted', the montrous perpetrator - who I don’t even want to name, I feel such visceral disgust for him - had himself been cheating during the relationship?

I don’t even know where to start with the level of horror that this case inspires. I honestly don’t.