People with a cervix

If you could choose whether or not to be a woman, there'd be very few in Afghanistan just now

Absolutely this! It's a first world social contagion for attention, that's all it is. It's the current generation's Goth. Except being goth didn't mean society was re-ordered around them.

Same, I hate when these ridiculous posts are deleted. They should remain for all to see.

See this doesn’t really make sense to me. The NHS info about screening does reach everyone it needs to, everybody received an invite to come in for their smear test.

Are you honestly telling me that you think if they don’t include those words a 25+ year old adult, born and registered female, will receive a letter from the NHS to their personal address, with their full name on, GP practice, NHS number, inviting them to book their appointment and they’ll think “ah that’s not for me”? Genuinely?

I don’t want to stop anyone getting appropriate health care, but I don’t really believe validating people in their untrue beliefs actually helps anyone.

So while I’m glad that the NHS has listened to women, to the extent of reinstating the word women in these messages, I personally can’t wait until the current situation comes to an end.

People have been sold the lie that they can be the opposite sex.

They’ve also been sold the lie that that the whole of society must pretend to accept the untruth, and never mention it which is never going to happen.

As a treatment, it is an out and out failure if it leaves people feeling so fragile every time they are faced with reality. This is obviously a learned response. They have been taught that they are fragile and can’t cope as a tool to try to push the narrative that we must all pander to them.

Personally, I don’t believe transitioning helps anyone. Learning to accept reality, even if you don’t like it much is the only way to genuine peace of mind,

So although I’m happy to see the word woman has made a comeback, I will be truly grateful when it is recognised that there is no need to mention “transmen” or “people with a cervix” because those with a mental health problem about accepting their sex are expected to deal with reality again.

Unfortunately that’s not a choice. We are either male or female and remain so until we die, despite what we think about ourselves, hence why ideology has no place in healthcare.

That poster is a truly nasty piece of work. Clearly hates females and is bigoted.

If you could choose whether or not to be a woman, there'd be very few in Afghanistan just now I'm guessing.

Being a woman is non optional, you either are or you aren't and you can't choose which and you can't change it.

I don't personally find it funny that mentally ill people are supported into believing their delusions are true, but you do you!

Well surely she must otherwise she wouldn't be called a Trans Man. You can only be that if you're not an actual man. So everyone saying she might not know she's a woman, I call bullshit 🤨

I'm actually disappointed that MNHQ deleted PerkyTitan's post accusing us of being equivalent to racists. It undermines Operation LetThemSpeak when the worst TRA posts are nuked.

She doesn't actually have a choice

Sorry ‘they choose’!!

Who knows 😆 none of my business if she chooses to not be one

I don't have any problem with the wording because it includes the term 'women' which is the huge majority of the target audience and an appropriately accurate term to use.

It seems fine to then add in another more generic term like 'people with a cervix' as a catch all for females who identify differently and need to know that cervical screening is also for them. Maybe it also gives an impression that staff at the clinic are expecting to see females who might present differently, which could also encourage participation without judgement.

At the end of the day, cervical screening is all about the early detection of cancer and ultimately saving lives, whether the person identifies as female or not.

I'm good honey, are you 😂 ❤️

This for the inclusive people at the back.

She must know she's a woman though.

1. Being gender critical isn't the same as racism. The reasons for sex segregation are biological, namely who can make whom pregnant.
2. There are circumstances in which race is relevant in medicine. Sickle cell anaemia prevalence in Black people is one. Ignoring race when deciding who to screen for those conditions is as harmful as ignoring sex when deciding who to screen for cervical abnormalities.
3. Being gender critical has been found to be worthy of respect in a democratic society. Racism hasn't.

YANBU.

No religious/ideological language should be part of healthcare delivery.

That's not how this happens.

For a start there is no 'clean' data for NHS bodies to check who is missing screenings and why. Mens are recorded as women, and vice versa, gender is recorded instead of sex, people are allowed to change their health records to reflect their wishes instead of biological fact. So statistical data which would answer that question doesn't exist, because the trans lobby have been so successful at getting NHS bodies to obscure fact in favour orfideology.

Secondly, the wording might have been approved but it won't have been by a representative panel. If it's anything like my employer (large NHS teaching hospital) it'll have been approved by the LGBTQIA+ group, and no one else will have been asked. There isn't a women's group so you couldn't ask them even if you wanted to. There will possibly have been checks to make sure it confirms to Stonewall's approved wording for their 'diversity' scheme which is very non diverse indeed, and not at all inclusive to women, people with English as an additional language, low literacy, or learning difficulties.

The people with 'lived experience ' of cervical smears are women. Every single person who's had one is female. So the (presumably) female people posting on this thread are the people with lived experience. And a lot are saying they don't want this.

Please, someone make this shit stop

Nope, it just says MEN. Funny that isn't it🤨

Are you ok?

Because women had to fight to get the word woman used as the NHS and other biology related organisation removed the word woman

In the USA the term "Black birthing bodies" was used in medical papers about how doctors needed to see the birthing body as a whole human and not the a birthing bodys birthing process as seeing the whole human reduced the death rates of the birthing body during or as a result of the birthing process.

Black women died in labour at higher rates partly due to doctors attitudes to ignoring the woman at the center of the process.

In the UK the ideology will roll into law so that the law will be for the female body function so people who breed / bleed / have a cervical cancer risk.

Again, I dont think she's actually bothered if the trans men find it offensive. The person who said its offensive is simply saying she finds it offensive to women, as a group. Whilst I understand the analogy of 'the hamster snack', it's not exactly the same thing.