People with a cervix

So really that poster who mentioned "bacha posh" had no idea what they were talking about. A woman still can't identify out of being a woman in Afghanistan, and never could.

It's a practice of disguising a female child as a son which affords them the freedom to play outside without chaperone, attend school etc. In most cases it ends with puberty but not always. There is an ethnographic researcher who wrote a beautiful book about the practice which included extensive records of women living as "uncles". Unfortunately, I can't quite recall the name of the book or the author right now.

It a family with no sons choosing a daughter to be a 'male' so she can escort her sisters, go to school, sometimes it's believed it'll encourage future babies to be born male. It's only pre puberty, adult women aren't able to identify our of their sex in Afghanistan, and it's not the girl who chooses it it's the parents.

These misogynist male trolls all call women the c word. They can't help but out themselves as the violent, hateful misogynist bigots they are. They're such a cliche.

What is that?
Is it a man seen as a female or a woman been seen as a male?
And what rights and obligations attach?

@MugsyBalonz why is it that on mens health stuff it says trans women but on women's health stuff it doesn't say trans men? Because trans men are women and even identifying as a man they're still seen as second class citizens so can just be reduced to sexual organs

Funny how you didn't feel the need to comment on the original poster's mention of Afghanistan... Hmmm...

Which ends when the girl reached puberty/ marriageable age. No women in Afghanistan are escaping their biology.

Doing the heavy lifting for us. Should I put in a laughing emoji? Yes I will - 😂

Have a lie down.

Is the fad of pretend that biology is not real going to go away?
Will female bodies be grouped together for medical and relevant social intertactions and will male bodies be excluded?

Will women stop being accused of transphobia for pointing out biology is real?

Or will they be "rightly condemned" for that?

Of course - Afghanistan 🙄 That well known country renowned for women's rights and celebrated by every single clueless transactivist .

Sorry @AccidentallyWesAnderson should have quoted selffellatingour.. or whatever your name is

Oh please!! Gay people didn't have words and definitions re-changed, society completely re-ordered around them, and weren't encouraged to sterilise themselves or chop body parts off them. This "it's Gay 2.0" has got to stop! Gay people never had anywhere NEAR the sheer overwhelming power that trans have.

That are not remotely comparable in any stratosphere!

This tired trope. Being same sex attracted didn’t have a negative effect on anyone else. People (mainly men) declaring themselves as the opposite sex has shown to have a detrimental effect, for a myriad of reasons.
It shouldn’t be difficult to understand but apparently it is.

Yes because no one has tried to obscure reality in data about ethnicity or disability have they? But there has been a concerted campaign to obscure data about sex, and to replace sex with gender. Such that there is no data which can be relied upon to structure or plan services.

And when there is a tension between people who want sex acknowledged and those who want gender identity to be used, it's only the people who want gender who are consulted. Look at the Fife employment tribunal - one transwoman wanted to use the women's changing room so he was allowed to and women weren't consulted and the woman who spoke up about it was suspended and accused of harassment. It's not the same.

Yet the NHS does say men and trans women, it's right there on their website.

Here is a screenshot of it where it says "the prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women.

What's interesting about your contributions to this thread, and those from others on the same lines, is how old-fashioned they seem now. The tide has turned, and within a few years people are going to be looking back at this strange phase and marvel at the collective insanity of it.

There is actually a pretty established practice of "bacha posh" in Afghanistan.

@BobbyBiscuits as someone said upthread, they would never dream of reducing men to their sexual organs but we're only women so hey ho who gives a shit 🤷

Some years back, being gay was seen as some kind of outlandish ideology, making it acceptable to ignore or disrespect them and their needs. Now, it’s normal, and homophobes are rightfully condemned. The same is now happening for trans people- it isn’t some fad that’s going to go away.

Correction: you work with someone who is genetically female and has adopted the very recently coined label 'non-binary'. She may not identify as being female but it's not something you can identify out of. She will remain female to the end of her days and she will always need healthcare from people who know how the patient's sex affects the way their body works.

@Devilsmommy In everything 'male body cancer' related from the NHS?! That is a bit offski.
Maybe it's quite telling. In that TM have more legitimacy than TW because it's an open secret that TW are just doing it for a sexual thrill and don't even think they're in the wrong body?!
Or I guess if it's for a penis, it's visible. Some women and lots of men don't even know what a cervix is?!
Gawd, I don't know now...

We have just been reviewing access to our service by people from different ethnic communities and this is exactly how the whole process was structured - service statistics, statistics from the community, identifying underrepresented communities and inviting a patient panel to help us redesign our campaigns. A similar process was involved when I was a disability champion in another trust and we had people with disabilities involved in a hospital build project by including them in planning meetings with architects. Maybe there is a disparity among different hospitals but this is the experience I've had with similar projects.