People with a cervix

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The homophobia of ladydick and mangina.
The progression of the Scottish politicians agreeing that males in female changing rooms may not be the best idea.

I'm good honey, are you 😂 ❤️

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

No, they are not forced. And again, I was replying to a very specific comment made by a previous poster and not attempting to start a discussion on a wider Afghan culture, politics or ideology. The poster said the if women had a choice, there would be very few of them in Afghanistan. I mentioned that women of Afghanistan had this choice for centuries. Alas, they have many other choices removed from them but that's an entirely different topic.
For any other bacha posh- specific questions I suggest Google as a next step as there are people who are far more knowledgeable than me who wrote books and academic articles on the subject.

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

Absolutely this, people on mumsnet aren’t too kind when it comes to this topic unfortunately.

I am a person with a cervix and it doesn’t make me feel any less of a woman to be referred to as such but the inclusive language could encourage a trans man to get checked and save his life. Sounds like a win to me.

The girl is forced to pretend to be male?

Women individually have always had to pretend to be male if they had no other choice. That is different from being recognised as "non-women women" as social group.

Is she allowed to marry or not as she chooses?
Live freely without her male relatives control?
Enforce any legal rights?

I have no idea why people get annoyed by things like this. It's inclusive language. It's a good thing. And it's not just about included trans men it includes those who identify as non binary etc.

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

The irony is 'gender critical' simply means feminism. And feminism isn't 'ignorant'. And then opposite of gender critical, is the ignorant Trans Ideology which is simply misogyny and a Mens Rights movement in a different dress.

As it is, the trans ideology is dying and in it's death throes, we are winning the war. If you truly think this is remotely like being gay and people growing up with gay people, you are truly delusional. Yes, there have always been people who claim to be 'born in the wrong body', but most of u recognise it as the mental illness it is. People 'thrive' with a mental illness, it still doesn't validate it. And the more and more society is re-ordered and women lose our rights, the more society pushes back. You are living in an echo chamber if you cannot see that Trans Ideology is losing the war, and within 10 to 20 years, we will look back at this dangerous period of time for women and children and wonder wtf we were doing.

Some years back, being gay was seen as some kind of outlandish ideology, making it acceptable to ignore or disrespect them and their needs. Now, it’s normal, and homophobes are rightfully condemned. The same is now happening for trans people- it isn’t some fad that’s going to go away.

Why has this thread been moved? It was in AIBU. I was following it with interest. It's a valid one to be asked of all of mumsnet. Annoying it gets pushed to the "naughty corner".

It's a practice of disguising a female child as a son which affords them the freedom to play outside without chaperone, attend school etc. In most cases it ends with puberty but not always. There is an ethnographic researcher who wrote a beautiful book about the practice which included extensive records of women living as "uncles". Unfortunately, I can't quite recall the name of the book or the author right now.

Yet the NHS does say men and trans women, it's right there on their website.

Here is a screenshot of it where it says "the prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women.

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

There is actually a pretty established practice of "bacha posh" in Afghanistan.

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

What's interesting about your contributions to this thread, and those from others on the same lines, is how old-fashioned they seem now. The tide has turned, and within a few years people are going to be looking back at this strange phase and marvel at the collective insanity of it.

Some years back, being gay was seen as some kind of outlandish ideology, making it acceptable to ignore or disrespect them and their needs. Now, it’s normal, and homophobes are rightfully condemned. The same is now happening for trans people- it isn’t some fad that’s going to go away.