People with a cervix

We did listen to transpeople. Like these ones:

https://terfisaslur.com/

That's how we became terfs.

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

I've never read the Daily Mail, but if it agrees with LadyBracknellsHandbagg about the importance of sticking to biological fact, it can't be all bad.

It's interesting that you consider 'people disagreeing with you' as 'wasting your time'. If you spent more time on here - and I suspect you may be here only because of the transfer from AIBU - you'd know that we make our own minds up about things like sex and gender, but we do so on the basis of thinking and researching and keeping up to date with developments.

This seems to annoy people. They prefer to make a statement which they can't back up, and then get irate when they're called out on it, and resort to silly suggestions about 'getting out there' [where do you think we live and work, if not 'out there'?] and meeting trans people [we not only have met them, but some of us have them in our families] so we could get enlightened and 'discover they're just normal people'.

There's nothing normal about believing that you can change your sex. It's not normal to build your life around a basic misunderstanding of scientific fact.
It's neither normal nor acceptable to expect society to rearrange itself around your mistaken take on biology.

Knowing that human sex is binary and immutable doesn't depend on whether or not you've met transpeople - but maybe AubernFable thinks that it is only people who have never met a transperson who believe that human sex is binary and immutable.

All those scientists and physicians and geneticists and biologists are so wrong about human sex, XX and XY chromosomes, gametes and all that - probably because they have not followed AubernFable advice, and need to there and just speak to a transgender person, instead of doing all that boring fact-based scientific stuff..

Is that what I said, or does your reading comprehension need some work?

I don’t support anyone being butchered, I do on the other hand support adults making informed choices about their bodies. I support anyone’s decision to do what they need to feel comfortable in their own skin as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

I’m also about to sleep not running for the hills or whatever pp said 😂

The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families.

Do these men who identify as women use women’s spaces?

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

We did listen to transpeople. Like these ones:

https://terfisaslur.com/

That's how we became terfs.

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

The irony of you saying that being gender critical is out of ignorance! It’s not GC women who don’t understand biology, it’s not GC women who support an ideology that encourages, often in secret, young, neurodivergent girls to have their healthy breasts removed, it’s not GC women who cheerlead children as young as 4 being led towards a medical pathway that we now know has life changing and irreversible consequences. Give your head a wobble and just think about what it is you actually support, at best disturbed young people, often victims of abuse, who need therapy not surgery, and at best, grown men with AGP. And before you pontificate any further and tell me I’m angry, who on earth wouldn’t be at the absolute absurdity of it all.

Male feminists who use female spaces as if they have a right to be there?

Or male feminists who recognise the importance of sex and single sex spaces?

No, they are not forced. And again, I was replying to a very specific comment made by a previous poster and not attempting to start a discussion on a wider Afghan culture, politics or ideology. The poster said the if women had a choice, there would be very few of them in Afghanistan. I mentioned that women of Afghanistan had this choice for centuries. Alas, they have many other choices removed from them but that's an entirely different topic.
For any other bacha posh- specific questions I suggest Google as a next step as there are people who are far more knowledgeable than me who wrote books and academic articles on the subject.

Any group of people who get women called 'menstruators', 'bleeders' or 'uterus havers' are not feminist.

Any group of people who remove womens sex-based rights to female only intimate safe single sex spaces and opens the door for intact males to enter, are not feminist.

Any group of people who enable post-pubertal males with all their insurmountable advantage to steal sports college scholarships, medals and rankings off girls, are not feminist.

Trans Ideology is DEEPLY dangerous to actual women and girls and erases all our sex-based rights.

It's clear that you haven't examined this issue thoroughly and have been privileged enough not to be touched by this dangerous Ideology and known girls and women who have lost their spaces and sporting scholarships.

Honest question; do you really think asking us if we know of any males in a dress who pose as women is some sort of a 'gotcha', as if we, including rape survivors like myself, will suddenly be 'oh it's ok, you males can enter our change rooms'? Really? We ALL know males. That doesn't mean we want them in our spaces or taking our awards. Meeting a male - whether in a suit or tie or in a dress - won't change that. Besides, most of us here are 'terfs' because we have first hand experience of these narcissistic transwomen. As they say, 'go meet a tranwoman, they said. I did. I am now terf'.

I am a feminist, a pretty loud one at that, and I strongly disagree that trans people, especially trans women, are a threat to feminism. The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families. You seem so far removed from reality talking about a war.

Honest question, do you know many trans people or is this all based on what you read online?

In Edinburgh screening is for people with a cervix. No mention of women.

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

The most cursory of googling proves you wrong.

A direct quote from the NHS webpage:

"The prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women."

‘Aren't too kind’ - weaponised misunderstanding of the issues women are raising here.

What annoys me more is .. that the start age is 25.. it should start as soon as you become sexual active.
So many young women getting cervical cancer under 25 years of age.