People with a cervix

Well again, perhaps your perspective is a bit skewed since you are not transgender. What you believe they know and feel and what makes them feel included is largely irrelevant. You can advocate to be called whatever you want to be called and so can they. So maybe saying "women and people with a cervix" satisfies both parties. Is that not acceptable to you?
I am still struggling to see how someone being called "a person" is dehumanizing

Even if you have your cervix removed, you are still a female. Chromosomes and DNA don't lie.

You're basically saying a woman who had to have a hysterectomy is 'no longer a woman'.

You're being deeply offensive.

It says 'women, AND people with a cervix'.

I'm fine with that. It's not erasing women, it's recognising that there are also people who no longer identify as one who might need the service.

If it only said 'people with a cervix' I'd have an issue,

FFS. Women are allowed an opinion on how women are categorised and referred to.

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

For goodness sake! They can do that WITHOUT reducing women to our SEX ORGANS. What is wrong with you.

Trans men are WOMEN. Female.

It's really no effort to use to CORRECT terminology.

They are defining us by our SEX ORGANS. That's why!

No one was excluded for centuries and decades until the last few years by using the terms women/men or male/female.

Strange how we are now, and we are re-ordering society and causing upset, hurt and chaos for a mental illness/social contagion.

Fuck sake. I'm a bit terfy but I really can't get worked up over this. It doesn't take anything from women but there are some people who don't identify that way and that's fine - as long as it doesn't interfere with womens hard won rights or tries to re assign my identity without my consent. It doesn't do this.

As FEMALES, it MOST CERTAINLY is our place to say that dehumanising the female sex is wrong.

Trans men are female. Reducing all female to our SEX ORGANS is never, NEVER a good thing. It is deeply offensive, insulting, and misogynistic. And you KNOW they'd never call males or transwomen prostate havers.

You know they wouldn't.

It's sexist, demeaning, hate-filled, insensitive and misogynist. And anyone who defends this belongs in the 1940s and should be deeply ashamed of themself!

Bollocks

Absolute madness, my Colposcopy letter & leaflet last year said the same.

Absolutely this, people on mumsnet aren’t too kind when it comes to this topic unfortunately.

I am a person with a cervix and it doesn’t make me feel any less of a woman to be referred to as such but the inclusive language could encourage a trans man to get checked and save his life. Sounds like a win to me.

If trans men are men what has 'sisterhood' got to do with them? And if they're woman (spoiler alert, they are) then they're included in the 'women' part and we don't need the part about 'people with a cervix'. QED.

It might as well just say women and women seeing as how only women have a cervix no matter how you identify 🙄

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.

If they are that stupid and narcissistic, that's a risk they take. What they need is psychological help.

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No it's not. It's really dehumanising and offensive.

Are you transgender? If not, then it's not your place to say.

@Catza Didn't take long before you tried censoring what women can say, do and think did it?

I am confident that all of the people I work with who do have low literacy skills and/or English as a second or third language would be fine with this. To be clear, personally, I'm fine with 'woman' too, but sticking to the facts ('born female') would help the most people.

Do men who identify as women get people with a penis

I am not bothered as long as woman/women isn't replaced with people/person who have a cervix

Woman/women should not be replaced or have an added prefix cis which thankfully seems so 2020

You're absolutely right.

Is it any wonder that Trump at al have co-opted this issue? It was an easy target because pur politicians have been too cowardly to sort it out.

We all know only women have a cervix and yet somehow it's fine to erase women

Transmen know they're women, they know they need women's health care. The dignity of all other women doesn't need to be chucked under the bus to pretend they're not women.

The most cursory of googling proves you wrong.

A direct quote from the NHS webpage:

"The prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women."

It includes the word women which seemed for a while to be in danger of disappearing. I don't think it's terribly worded.

I don't think it is a good thing.

It feeds in to the delusions.

Transmen know full well that they have a cervix. More than anyone, trans people are surely very well aware of their bodies.

A transman is someone who feels like she is a man, wants to dress like a man and be treated as if she were a man. No problem.

But she, like it or not, will always be female. Female for medical purposes given every chromosome in her body is XX the female chromosome.

That's just reality.

She knows she's a women for medical purposes.

So this feeds in to the absolutely absurd pretence we're currently living through that people can choose what sex they are. You can't. Tough.