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People with a cervix

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Globules · 28/02/2025 18:20

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

People with a cervix
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ExitPursuedByAPolarBear · 28/02/2025 19:42

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:39

Yep. I would feel no sympathy at all for them if they didn't get the tests and something happened. Too bad so sad. Sorry not sorry. They made their bed.

People need to start taking responsibility for their lives, that includes mental health.

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I think the same goes for people who aren’t transmen. We are all responsible for own health and if there is an emotional/mental/physical disorder that’s preventing people from taking care of their own health, I’m not sure whose responsibility that is?

TitusMoan · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

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Trans men ARE women. So they’re already included. And they already know that.

AnSolas · 28/02/2025 19:41

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:31

Please research trans people in history, it isn’t a new thing and in some cultures was widely understood and accepted. I understand your position but it’s worth fully understanding even if your feelings stay the same.

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Which cultures widely understood and accepted that women could opt out of being classed as women?

What righs or obligations were these group of "non-women women" offered which was not available to women as a class?

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:41

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:19

Absolutely this, people on mumsnet aren’t too kind when it comes to this topic unfortunately.

I am a person with a cervix and it doesn’t make me feel any less of a woman to be referred to as such but the inclusive language could encourage a trans man to get checked and save his life. Sounds like a win to me.

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If handmaidens want to use dehumanising misogynistic language to appease unwell people with delusions, that's their choice. But don't expect the majority of women to join you.

ERthree · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

Only women have a cervix.

SlipDigby · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

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By that reckoning, you are erasing transwomen who don't have cervixes.

CaptainFuture · 28/02/2025 19:40

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:27

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

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Who's denying them access to safe health care? Are the signs saying 'if you are choosing to portray yourself as someone of the opposite sex, you wont get health care'?

ExitPursuedByAPolarBear · 28/02/2025 19:40

I wasn’t trying to be obtuse, I must admit that I was confused because I thought it was always called cervical screening, but then noticed the text underneath that and I’m not sure how to feel about that. I mean the phrasing sounds odd and can be considered offensive, but I suppose it’s supposed to be more inclusive? But isn’t it implied from the cervical screening that it’s people who have a cervix ergo the cervical screening?

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:39

arethereanyleftatall · 28/02/2025 19:15

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.

If they are that stupid and narcissistic, that's a risk they take. What they need is psychological help.

Yep. I would feel no sympathy at all for them if they didn't get the tests and something happened. Too bad so sad. Sorry not sorry. They made their bed.

People need to start taking responsibility for their lives, that includes mental health.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:38

Goinggonegone · 28/02/2025 18:54

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.
In response to another poster, saying "people born female" wouldn't work, as some of us no longer have cervixes.

Well that's their problem then if they are this ignorant and suffering from a mental illness to such an extent they genuinely believe they no longer have a female body, female internal sex organs and female chromosomes and DNA. Perhaps then it's the survival of the fittest if they don't realise they're still female. In that case they need intensive psychiatric therapy.

Oldermum84 · 28/02/2025 19:36

I have no idea why people get annoyed by things like this. It's inclusive language. It's a good thing. And it's not just about included trans men it includes those who identify as non binary etc.

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:34

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

This 🔺

Suck it up butter cup

Hwi · 28/02/2025 19:34

This one does not bother me at all - probably trying to be able to help people with mental health problems, i.e. those who do not believe in biology. What bothers me is that they ask men if they might be pregnant before every X-ray. That bothers me.

CanadianJohn · 28/02/2025 19:34

TheNinny · 28/02/2025 19:01

This shite is always forced on women. Bet there won’t be nhs letters with ‘people with a prostate’ anytime soon.

I'm in Canada, our local health authority advises "people with a prostate" to get a PSA test.

Fair's fair, I guess.

Catza · 28/02/2025 19:32

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:29

And did you stop being a woman?

No. I didn't think so.

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But she stopped needing a bloody cervical screening which is what the post is about.

Elmo2025 · 28/02/2025 19:32

It’s probably aimed at people who don’t identify as a woman but have a cervix. So the they/them folk. I work with someone who is genetically female but is non binary so wouldn’t identify as a woman but has a cervix.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/02/2025 19:31

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

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Trans men are women, people can’t change sex.

Catza · 28/02/2025 19:31

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 28/02/2025 19:27

FFS. Women are allowed an opinion on how women are categorised and referred to.

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Sure. And the image shows clearly stated "women and people with a cervix". So you are called a woman, pretty much so. What you don't get to decide is how a transgender man wants the NHS to refer to them. You don't have the right to decide that at all.

MugsyBalonz · 28/02/2025 19:31

TweedCoat · 28/02/2025 19:29

Honestly I'm losing patience with this crap.

Just women / men as anatomically appropriate should suffice.

I do indeed have a cervix, but I've never seen it, and rarely think about it. I am more than a person with a cervix. I all a woman.

It's a letter relating to cervical screening therefore it does need to refer directly to patients in terms of their cervixes.

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:31

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:25

They are defining us by our SEX ORGANS. That's why!

No one was excluded for centuries and decades until the last few years by using the terms women/men or male/female.

Strange how we are now, and we are re-ordering society and causing upset, hurt and chaos for a mental illness/social contagion.

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Please research trans people in history, it isn’t a new thing and in some cultures was widely understood and accepted. I understand your position but it’s worth fully understanding even if your feelings stay the same.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:29

Softpebbles · 28/02/2025 18:55

Actually, just putting it out there that some women don’t have a cervix.

Mine was removed during my hysterectomy!

And did you stop being a woman?

No. I didn't think so.

MugsyBalonz · 28/02/2025 19:29

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:27

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

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Exactly this.

The letter/poster is worded to make sure people access potentially life saving screening. It has to be worded in a way that reaches all of those eligible whether you agree with how they identify or not.

LaceApplique · 28/02/2025 19:29

I'm with you on this OP. Medicine is based on biological fact and science should never waiver on that.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:29

Vannymcvan · 28/02/2025 18:54

YABU. In addition, you're either ignorant or transphobic.

Not wanting women dehumanised and reduced to our SEX ORGANS is not 'ignorant' or 'twwannsphobic'. You are being ignorant, femphobic, dehumanising and insulting.

TweedCoat · 28/02/2025 19:29

Honestly I'm losing patience with this crap.

Just women / men as anatomically appropriate should suffice.

I do indeed have a cervix, but I've never seen it, and rarely think about it. I am more than a person with a cervix. I all a woman.

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