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SuperSleepyBaby · 24/02/2025 01:11

Reading about the Sandi Peggy case and the various issues that have arisen in Scotland - the rape crisis centre, secret cameras in mixed sex toilets in schools, Isla Bryson, Katies Dolatowski etc - it makes me think, is there just as much issues in Ireland?

i know Barbie Kardashian, the male player on a women’s GAA team. Are there as many issues in Ireland as there is in Scotland, but not really reported on in Ireland?

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MarieDeGournay · 05/05/2025 11:57

Genesis1v27 · 04/05/2025 14:01

A piece on the Irish Times site this weekend by Colette Colfer and John Armstrong:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2025/05/04/why-do-we-have-a-charter-for-thought-control-in-irish-universities/

It is behind a soft paywall, so can be read in an incognito tab, or on archive sites.

It was such a relief to see that piece in the Irish Times at the weekend.
The online news source the journal.ie has run several pro-trans pieces one after the other recently after the UKSC ruling.

Here is today's, it's an opinion piece and I strongly advise you to have a calming tincture to hand before you read it. Here's an extract, by way of warning:

In 2015, when I was just starting a PhD in women’s studies, my twins Jamie and Zack (these names are pseudonyms) were starting primary school. Although my twins are identical, Jamie expressed a very different gender identity to their brother from as early as they could express themselves, and we embraced this.
Opinion: Trans lives aren’t black and white, our conversations about them shouldn’t be either

This is what we are up against in Ireland😬

That said, I bet if they kept the comments open, they'd be deluged with 'ah for feck's sake' comments - I don't think many people go along with this kind of extreme genderwoo.

It's actually quite disturbing to think that a fantasy in a little child's rich imagination - it could just as easily have been 'an identity' as a dinosaur or an astronaut - was seized on by their parents as a permanent article of faith that the family had to embrace, and that had to shape the child's whole future. Shocking.

Opinion: Trans lives aren’t black and white, our conversations about them shouldn’t be either

Carol Ballantine says she worries about parents like her trying to make sense of gender in an ever-more polarised context.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/trans-rights-uk-6693268-May2025/

Nebulousbiologist · 04/05/2025 20:44

Genesis1v27 · 04/05/2025 14:01

A piece on the Irish Times site this weekend by Colette Colfer and John Armstrong:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2025/05/04/why-do-we-have-a-charter-for-thought-control-in-irish-universities/

It is behind a soft paywall, so can be read in an incognito tab, or on archive sites.

"The Athena Swan Charter was adopted in Ireland 10 years ago to promote laudable goals of equality and diversity and to address the long-standing underrepresentation of women in sciences. Over time, however, its focus has shifted. While the Athena Swan Ireland principles require the active promotion of gender self-ID and intersectionality, they do not mention women at all."

We do have our priorities in Ireland and women's rights aren't one of them.

AnSolas · 01/05/2025 21:41

SionnachRuadh · 01/05/2025 13:57

You know I hate to be cynical, but sometimes I wonder if larping is Ireland's default culture. Student activists larping as journalists isn't the half of it.

We've currently got a huge controversy around Kneecap, who pose as revolutionaries while being about as radical as Rory Stewart.

Maybe Brits larping as the opposite sex will fit right in.

Whispers so softly ....

"They are actually British so the UK media safely say so your British "

.... and exits. ....

Although they are just old enough not to need an Irish granny?

elgreco · 01/05/2025 17:50

We really don't need anymore delusional people, please god they don't all emigrate here.

SionnachRuadh · 01/05/2025 13:57

You know I hate to be cynical, but sometimes I wonder if larping is Ireland's default culture. Student activists larping as journalists isn't the half of it.

We've currently got a huge controversy around Kneecap, who pose as revolutionaries while being about as radical as Rory Stewart.

Maybe Brits larping as the opposite sex will fit right in.

TheKeatingFive · 01/05/2025 13:49

The journal is basically just student activists. There's zero actual journalism going on there.

Nebulousbiologist · 01/05/2025 13:27

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 01/05/2025 09:51

Totally agree about the media, and The Jounal in particular, I complained to their editor twice about the trans nonsense they were spouting but got no response of course. I haven't looked at their site in years.

To say that the Journal actually did investigate might be a bit of a stretch. This is the journalist who did the 'investigating'
https://x.com/TJ_Investigates/status/1917830438678106375?t=XJiDihYRwwMlU-vw-IHMyw&s=19
Trans flag, pronouns in bio.
No bias there at all at all 😉

MarieDeGournay · 01/05/2025 13:14

Thank you for backing me up, and oops about writing 'Colin' instead of 'Conor' McGregor - insufficient caffeine intake at time of posting.🙄

Please don't tell him I called him Colin, he might get cross with me and you know what happens to people Conor McGregor gets cross with..😬

AnSolas · 01/05/2025 10:15

The only upside is that any transpeople considering fleeing the transphobic hell which the UK has now become to seek asylum in Ireland may read about how awful trans healthcare is here and decide to flee elsewhere...

Well they should check the law in ireland
No specific trans clause and gender clause is F=F and M=M (by birth or GRC) and no obligation to recognise non-Irish GRC.

And GP (businesses) pay their own medical insurance so can be very pickie over acts which brings that into play.

And you pay €80 for your own HRT as its only free for women if and when the government work out the details
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2025-03-25/719/

And timing a baby who was given unneeded surgery is always going to lead on healthcare scandals for the next while.

Medicinal Products

Medicinal Products Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 25 March 2025

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2025-03-25/719/

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 01/05/2025 09:51

Totally agree about the media, and The Jounal in particular, I complained to their editor twice about the trans nonsense they were spouting but got no response of course. I haven't looked at their site in years.

DeanElderberry · 01/05/2025 09:11

@MarieDeGournay telling it like it is there. Trust her.

She's right about the media and trans stuff too.

MarieDeGournay · 01/05/2025 08:43

There seems to be an effort - maybe even a 'concerted campaign', but I try to avoid hyperbole- since the UK Supreme Court ruling to highlight trans issues in the Irish media.

The journal.ie is a major online news source in Ireland. It has run TWO long articles on trans healthcare in Ireland over the past two days.

Today it publishes an in-depth 'investigation' piece:
Transgender people turning to DIY-healthcare due to lack of trust in National Gender Service
The Journal Investigates heard from transgender people pushed into accessing healthcare outside the official channels
Transgender people turning to DIY-healthcare due to lack of trust in National Gender Service
and yesterday
‘It left me traumatised’: The barriers to accessing transgender healthcare in Ireland:
The HSE has admitted that transgender healthcare is ‘limited’ and is ‘not meeting people’s full range of needs’.
‘It left me traumatised’: The barriers to accessing transgender healthcare in Ireland

I confess I only scanned today's article, but I see it has taken the autism+transitioning issue and turned it into 'They are saying autistic people can't make informed decisions'... And access to 'HRT' is one of the complaints.
WPATH is not being invoked any more, they've got the message on that, at least.

If the transgender population in the UK is 0.5%, i.e. about 262,000 people, and if there is the same percentage of transgender people in the Republic of Ireland, that is a tiny number of people to provide a bespoke health service to.

Comments are closed on these articles, but I think a lot of people would be very unsympathetic about men not being able to get 'HRT' and scarce resources being diverted to fund unnecessary and potentially dangerous treatments for a small self-selected group.

The only upside is that any transpeople considering fleeing the transphobic hell which the UK has now become to seek asylum in Ireland may read about how awful trans healthcare is here and decide to flee elsewhere...

And there's the awful climate - it's -5 degrees again today, with snowdrifts forming and hundreds of communities cut off and running out of supplies. And person-eating tigers roaming the streets. And the astronomical price of a pint. And whole towns, complete with their entire populations, suddenly falling into the sea because of coastal erosion. And the seas are full of sharks. And we never win Eurovision any more. And the vicious alligators in the rivers. And Colin McGregor... Really, transfolk, you'd hate it here😏

AnSolas · 28/04/2025 13:56

Endthisshit · 28/04/2025 08:28

I’m not sure about the t r a ns being in 23hr solitary, I did watch paddy o gorman interview women from prison, they said men often in as trans not in solitary, and I’d imagined they wouldn’t want to elect for women’s prison if they were automatically subject to solitary?

( all prisioners were put into C19 lockdown so that has been recorded in a prison visitor report and may be quoted out of context)

There are only 3 prisoners to date who opted to produce or had a GRC to produce.

At the end of the trial when there is a committal to prison the law has to followed the GRC.

And i think the way the GRA is worded the prisoner has a legal obligation to provide the State with a copy without being asked. So woman with a GRC has to produce her GRC and be placed in the mens system.

With no GRC every other male is sent to a mens prison. Eg the case of a male gay with cosmetic alterations prostitute convicted on trying to sell CSA images to a client who went to the Gardai (so ticking the same "boxes" as the one in for direct contact CSA) was sent to one of the midlands prisons.

And likely he needed to be held out of the general population for his own safety. The prison could elect to give him a personal PO.

So post GRC men/male becomes woman/female and there is no lawful way to place a woman in the mens system.

The Womens prison Dublin paid for 2 POs to be with the CSA offender at all times (assumption that did not cover the night shift). Cost of PO was 60kis salary ++ which could have been used or saved. So the other women are used as a tool to meet his social needs (so treated the same as any 'new' woman in the prison)

He was not a direct danger to women as he imo groomed the mother of the child as there was no reports of him attacking her or other women.
So no justification not to have him in the general population for the whole time he served.

Same as the one who attacked three men in the pub no direct VaWG and would be assessed as if he was a woman in for the same level of violence. And ignore that an underlying cause of the violence was i think anger about comments on being trans/not a woman.

Lock up rules are strict as the prisoner can go to the High Court to remove the restriction.

https://www.ihrec.ie/important-decision-of-the-high-court-in-case-concerning-prisoners-rights/

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (The Commission) today welcomed the decision of the High Court in the judicial review proceedings entitled McDonnell v. The Governor of Wheatfield Prison which held that the Applicant’s constitutional rights were breached as a result of being on 23 hour lock-up since February 2014.

The consitutional righ is very clear on duty of the State "shall do" and only resolution shall by letting the person "go" or proving the law applies:

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
PERSONAL RIGHTS
ARTICLE 40
4 2° Upon complaint being made by or on behalf of any person to the High Court or any judge thereof alleging that such person is being unlawfully detained, the High Court and any and every judge thereof to whom such complaint is made shall forthwith enquire into the said complaint and may order the person in whose custody such person is detained to produce the body of such person before the High Court on a named day and to certify in writing the grounds of his detention, and the High Court shall, upon the body of such person being produced before that Court and after giving the person in whose custody he is detained an opportunity of justifying the detention, order the release of such person from such detention unless satisfied that he is being detained in accordance with the law.

The same right is why BK's on sectioning hearing happened.

From memory it is now accepted as basic right of sectioning rights after a woman was sectioned by her husbands doctor for arguing with her husband in public. (Crazy right!) Her family forced the hospital to admit her being upset: at being sectioned and at her husband and the doctor involved did not prove she totally was "crazy" once the doctor signed to say she was.

https://www.iprt.ie/latest-news/iprt-welcomes-findings-of-high-court-in-restricted-regimes-case/

18th February 2015
IPRT has today welcomed the findings of the High Court that 22-23 hour solitary confinement regime imposed on a prisoner for almost a year amounts to a “clear sustained violation” of the prisoner's right to bodily and psychological integrity.
Key findings include:

  • 22 or 23 hour lockup regime amounts to solitary confinement;
  • solitary confinement can cause significant psychological harm to prisoners;
  • solitary confinement should be used only in exceptional circumstances and for a limited period of time;
  • after 3 or 4 weeks there should be an intensive review of such cases to ensure the conditions can come to an end at the earliest possible time.

https://www.iprt.ie/solitary-confinement/page5

https://www.iprt.ie/iprt-publications/behind-the-door-solitary-confinement-in-the-irish-penal-system/

This report contains 25 key recommendations centring on the use of solitary confinement and restricted regimes in Ireland. Our goal is ambitious but achievable – the abolition of solitary confinement in Ireland in the short term and the gradual elimination of the use of restricted regimes with the ultimate target of 12 hours out-of-cell time daily for all prisoners across the prison estate.
Some of the key recommendations arising from the report include:

  • The placement in solitary confinement of adults with mental health difficulties or mental or physical disabilities should be prohibited.

Two GRC men can provide out of cell companionship

https://www.thejournal.ie/barbie-kardashian-trial-5758736-May2022/

Thats nice in principle but how do we as a community deal with BK.
Want to stab someone and rape her as she bleeds out indicates MH issues.
He cant be sectioned because he is sane.
He cant be in general population because he has a history of ambush attacks.
His attacks mainly focused on women so the childrens system bared women POs managing him
Plus for safety the team should be a minium of 5 men

https://www.iprt.ie/latest-news/iprt-welcomes-focus-on-irish-prisons-by-european-anti-torture-committee/

And to note as the committe visited the chlidrens unit the PO have been the people who are refusing to manage a mixed sex childs unit which some do-gooder thinks would be a good idea.

Important decision of the High Court in case concerning prisoner’s rights

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (The Commission) today welcomed the decision of the High Court in the judicial review proceedings entitled McDonnell v. The Governor of Wheatfield Priso

https://www.ihrec.ie/important-decision-of-the-high-court-in-case-concerning-prisoners-rights

user1471471849 · 28/04/2025 13:55

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2025 22:04

Yes, I can't imagine it being given too much air time in catholic schools.

Educate Together however would be all for it. 🙄

My kids are in a CoI school, so somewhere in the middle. I was very keen on ET at the time of enrolling, but very glad I dodged that bullet now. My friend's child is in one and briefly had a 'non binary' teacher that the 8 year olds were instructed to use they/them pronouns for. However it was a short lived appointment, though I'm not sure why.

Yes, there is a 5 year old trans girl (used to be boy) in our local Educate together school. It's heartbreaking for the child. We were all told about 'her' new pronouns and name and now that child has been socially transitioned into believing that they are actually a girl.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 12:44

Yes, I've since checked and that list is for 'newcomers'. My DC school is still listed as accredited. FFS 🙄 I've one nearly done and another half way through, I'll be so glad to get them out of the system (although I'm sure 3rd level is just as bad)

Boffinhere · 28/04/2025 10:38

I think it’s an 18 month course @LifeInAHamsterWheel. The article above listed the most recent graduates. I know our school got the award last year so they’re not on the above list either. I wasn’t happy about them being in the school I must say. I mean the education curriculum is online, but with this it’s more difficult to know what the kids are being told.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 28/04/2025 10:36

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 10:25

Thanks for posting that @Boffinhere , I am so delighted to see that my DC secondary school is no longer on that list!! I hope that means they have cut ties with them.

Unfortunately that list is only those recognised at that event rather than all schools.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 28/04/2025 10:25

Thanks for posting that @Boffinhere , I am so delighted to see that my DC secondary school is no longer on that list!! I hope that means they have cut ties with them.

Boffinhere · 28/04/2025 09:20

Cailin66 · 28/04/2025 07:43

It was clear then that Regina Doherty minister didn’t have a clue. Especially when she suggested there were about nine genders. She had been indoctrinated by the Irish Stonewall called TENI. She’s now backtracking somewhat.

TENI were involved in financial Scandal relatively recently and have had a change of personnel.

The good news is schools are wiser now and unlikely to allow such organisations in to preach to the children.

BelongTo are in schools. They do an 18 month course which earns the school an LGBTQ+ Quality Mark. The latest awards ceremony was in March.
www.belongto.org/lgbtq-quality-mark-44-schools-and-education-centres-recognised/

Endthisshit · 28/04/2025 08:28

I’m not sure about the t r a ns being in 23hr solitary, I did watch paddy o gorman interview women from prison, they said men often in as trans not in solitary, and I’d imagined they wouldn’t want to elect for women’s prison if they were automatically subject to solitary?

Cailin66 · 28/04/2025 07:43

OchonAgusOchonOh · 27/04/2025 14:40

Interesting that she is referring to being trans as having a medical condition. I thought the TRA dogma is that it's not a medical condition but just who they are?

It was clear then that Regina Doherty minister didn’t have a clue. Especially when she suggested there were about nine genders. She had been indoctrinated by the Irish Stonewall called TENI. She’s now backtracking somewhat.

TENI were involved in financial Scandal relatively recently and have had a change of personnel.

The good news is schools are wiser now and unlikely to allow such organisations in to preach to the children.

Nebulousbiologist · 27/04/2025 18:34

Genesis1v27 · 27/04/2025 14:34

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0427/1509720-politics/

MEP Regina Doherty not sure if 2022 evidence on gender would 'stand up today'
Updated / Sunday, 27 Apr 2025 12:34
By Juliette Gash

Dublin MEP Regina Doherty has said she is not sure if evidence she gave in the Seanad in 2022 that there are nine genders would stand up to scrutiny today, after being criticised by Senator Michael McDowell.
On RTÉ's The Week in Politics, Ms Doherty was asked about Independent Senator McDowell’s article in the Irish Times earlier this week.
In the article, Senator McDowell said: "To the best of my knowledge, neither she nor any of her colleagues in government ever attempted to enumerate these other genders, despite many requests that they should do so."
Ms Doherty said she normally would not respond when someone tries to make a political weapon of an issue, but added:
"For all my political life what I’ve tried to do is to support transgender people, to support people who have a medical condition, that are undergoing a transition, that are exceptionally vulnerable, and all they're trying to do is to live a normal life, the same way as you and I would.
"That's something that we probably take for granted, when I see politicians trying to polarise and politicise this issue ... it makes me really sad."
Ms Doherty was Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection when a review of the Gender Recognition Act was carried out in 2017.
Speaking on the programme in Brussels, Ms Doherty said: "These are vulnerable people, there’s a tiny percentage of the population, but unfortunately it's growing that have been treated by our gender services, and we need to treat them with respect, notwithstanding the issues that women have raised.
"You don't need to address women's issues by politicising people who have a medical condition who are exceptionally vulnerable, as Michael McDowell has sought to do, and I think that's a real pity, and it's not something that I've ever done, and I mightn't have got everything right, and I really don't know, you know, whether the evidence that I gave based on the interactions that I had with TENI at the time would stand up today."
Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) represents transgender people and their families and advocated for Minister Doherty (as she was at the time) to lower the age of gender self-identification.
The article by Senator McDowell followed a decision by the UK Supreme Court that ruled that sex is binary, and that the legal definition of a woman and a man are based on biological sex at birth.
Following that decision, Sinn Féin TD David Cullinane said on social media that the ruling was "common sense", an opinion he later withdrew.
Sinn Féin MEP Lynn Boylan was asked about her party colleague on The Week in Politics.
She said that Deputy Cullinane was right to withdraw the remarks.
"I have trans people in my circle of friends and have known trans people for years. Trans people exist, and that's what they want, is the right to exist. And I feel that they're now being, it's been completely weaponised.
"They're under attack on all fronts. And we need to show compassion and empathy for the trans community, who are getting dragged into fights and political rows that they don't even want to be involved in, and I will always stand by the trans community."
Pressed on whether she represented the Sinn Féin position, Ms Boylan said: "We have had our Ard Fheis motions in terms of gender recognition and the right of people to express their gender, and that is party policy."

This is infuriating
I really don't know, you know, whether the evidence that I gave based on the interactions that I had with TENI at the time would stand up today."
Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) represents transgender people and their families and advocated for Minister Doherty (as she was at the time) to lower the age of gender self-identification.
Lowering the age of consent for this was something that should have followed robust research and scrutiny.
She seems to have just followed the guidance of a lobby group with a very specific agenda. I think BelongTo were also involved.
I would ask where the safeguarding was but I think most of the people who should have been looking out for children were lgbtqi allies.
But, she seems more annoyed at McDowell's criticism than shocked by her own failure to protect children.

Nebulousbiologist · 27/04/2025 18:04

https://www.cnam.ie/have-your-say-on-the-future-of-public-service-media/
👆Link to the Coimisiun na Mean survey on public service media
As Colette Colfer points out in her article above

"What makes the situation in Ireland even worse is that complaints about the destruction of broadcasting freedom are pointless, because the agency responsible for upholding impartiality is the same agency involved in the National LGBTI+ Inclusion Strategy (Coimisiún na Meán). The fact that the National Union of Journalists is affiliated with the Irish Congress of Trade Union - which is also a participant in the Strategy - makes the situation even worse. The avenues for complaint are effectively closed."
I think it is important to get the message across that signing up to the strategy give the impression that public service media such as RTE cannot be impartial on this issue.
Responses are anonymous.

Have your say on the future of Public Service Media - Coimisiún na Meán

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https://www.cnam.ie/have-your-say-on-the-future-of-public-service-media/

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