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Ash Sarkar on the News Agents - the backpedaling continues...

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mantaraya · 23/02/2025 14:08

Apparently identity politics is silly and divisive. According to Ash, oppression is not a competition and the left is eating itself up accommodating to "woke" victimhood. Any quotes that sound like she has been pushing this line of thinking have been taken out of context.

On trans - this is very unlikely to be in anyone's top 3 issues politically so we should all just shut up about it and focus on the real problems (please ignore the fact that Ash has been banging this drum for years). Oh and the reason the left (i.e. Ash) has supported (ridiculous) things like transwomen in women's sports is because there aren't enough trans political organisations leading the way so they're just trying to do the right thing and defend vulnerable trans people. Ahem.

Quite amusing to listen to just for the various attempts at arse covering. I only wish I could have been the interviewer!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2tdUDCkv3oc3kBjN9VkzGI

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duc748 · 07/03/2025 00:16

i'm always behind on reading my NS subscription. but I skimmed through last week's earlier, and there was an interview with AS. I didn't bother reading it cos I've already read enough about her shtick lately I think. But it made me get this week's edition off the doormat to see if there were any coruscating responses to her. but only one, saying, isn't she great, and this is the voice on the Left that young people need to be listening to.

Yeah, right...

Rubidium · 06/03/2025 22:04

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/05/politics-about-class-not-identity-are-better-for-the-young-adults-i-teach
Letters in response to Ash Sarkar’s article in the Graun the other day.
The first one is very perceptive, I thought.

duc748 · 05/03/2025 12:04

I'm sure someone who was clever enough could do a further meta-analysis incorporating Spiked's own world-view as another layer to the onion alongside Sarkar's and the Guardian's. And I suppose there's a Venn diagram that could be constructed. I scratch my chinny chin when pundits look to praise The Sun, though. or handwave away concerns about oligarchs, big business, etc. But Ash is an easy target, she really does open herself up to ridicule. The Guardian review is schoolboy tripe, to my eyes. But apparently the author is an historian and lecturer, so what do I know? Anil surely cannot see what the rest of us see, that he and AS are the two peas in a pod ("I'm a Marxist too" 😀), equally ripe for satire.

lcakethereforeIam · 05/03/2025 10:27

This is the Guardian review Brendan O'Neill references

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/20/minority-rule-adventures-in-the-culture-war-by-ash-sarkar-identity

It genuinely uses the phrase 'lower orders'! To be fair to AS, it doesn't seem to be used by her although the review reads like it's using her words. I've copied it, jic they change it.

Ash Sarkar on the News Agents - the backpedaling continues...
Lalgarh · 04/03/2025 13:42

"kids in pit towns"

You'd think someone who describes herself as a "literal communist" might describe the concept of them as being working class wouldn't you?😂

EsmaCannonball · 03/03/2025 18:34

Rubidium · 03/03/2025 13:14

“no one is actually preaching to kids in pit towns that they’ve got white privilege” says Ash.

No one is saying that explicitly, but that’s certainly the message that’s being received, hence Sam Fender’s comment.

They don't need to be told it when they are suffering from the biggest disadvantage possible in terms of succeeding in life, i.e., being poor, and yet they can see there are no DEI-style schemes and programmes designed to get their foot in the door.

WorriedMutha · 03/03/2025 14:29

I've scrolled through several excerpts of her book in the articles above and she really is a crap writer. She starts a point and drifts around, conflating topics and never reaching a conclusion. Compare it to pieces written by Kath Stock or Julie Bindel and there is no comparison.
I really think it is because she's trying to excuse the inexcusable and so it all reads like word jelly.

ArabellaScott · 03/03/2025 14:15

'The retreat into subjective experience primes us for the politics of resentment, competitive grievance and weaponised victimhood. While the personal is political, the self is a dead-end if what you want is social change. It’s worth remembering the lesson of Narcissus: being too interested in your own reflection will kill you.'

As one of the reviews said, AS seems to use 'we' when she really means 'me'.

ArabellaScott · 03/03/2025 14:13

Rubidium · 03/03/2025 10:00

'The weakening of collective politics is no accident; it’s by design.'

When large numbers of other viewpoints are winning over hers, how is that not 'collective politics'? What she means by 'collective' is 'correct', isn't it?

'Other users are our rivals. We’re competing with each other for followers, clout, status and a central position in the public conversation.'

Not all of us, Ash.

SionnachRuadh · 03/03/2025 13:59

MarieDeGournay · 03/03/2025 12:17

That's what makes intersectionality valuable- it gets all this, it accepts that 'privilege' varies according to circumstances, we're not just one-dimensional 'Black' or 'working class' or 'disabled' or 'White' or 'women' etc., all the various aspects of who we are have different significance in different contexts.
'Life's rich tapestry' as a PP said😄

It's almost as if we all have varying experiences, so willingness to listen to others does not go amiss. Old fashioned feminists or Marxists who understood class might have got that.

It takes the combined brains of the Western graduate progressive class to turn intersectionality into a game of Magic The Gathering.

Tomatotater · 03/03/2025 13:28

Rubidium · 03/03/2025 13:14

“no one is actually preaching to kids in pit towns that they’ve got white privilege” says Ash.

No one is saying that explicitly, but that’s certainly the message that’s being received, hence Sam Fender’s comment.

What happened to the patronising 'You are more privileged than a poor Black person living in a pit town so you still have White privilege'? Because the progressive Left have definitely used that argument, frequently when asked to explain that point.

Tomatotater · 03/03/2025 13:24

Merrymouse · 03/03/2025 12:34

I don't think she is saying the same thing though.

It's a mixture of 'nut picking' - pretending that extreme opinions that get lots of engagement on social media are representative - and taking aim at the same old targets.

When she says "instead of striving for liberation from discrimination and material oppression, we just want to inflate the visibility value that’s attached to suffering." I think she very much includes women campaigning for single sex rape crisis centres.

She probably does but she has been doing the social media noise her entire career!

Rubidium · 03/03/2025 13:14

“no one is actually preaching to kids in pit towns that they’ve got white privilege” says Ash.

No one is saying that explicitly, but that’s certainly the message that’s being received, hence Sam Fender’s comment.

Merrymouse · 03/03/2025 12:34

Tomatotater · 03/03/2025 11:55

Bloody hell does she have absolutely no self awareness? She's written a book saying exactly the same thing people have been saying for ages about ID politics, except they were saying it about her, and her fellow 'Progressive' travellers.

Competing in the attention economy incentivises us to turn molehills into mountains, and the cult of lived experience makes it hard to question proclamations of victimhood. The “I” has taken over identity politics: instead of striving for liberation from discrimination and material oppression, we just want to inflate the visibility value that’s attached to suffering. The retreat into subjective experience primes us for the politics of resentment, competitive grievance and weaponised victimhood. While the personal is political, the self is a dead-end if what you want is social change. It’s worth remembering the lesson of Narcissus: being too interested in your own reflection will kill you.

Really Ash, So why have you only come to this realisation now that you aren't being asked onto Question Time as much?

Now she's actually written a book and newspaper articles about it, as if its her own unique and sudden revelation in order to make a load of cash out of saying what she was busy slagging other people off for.

I don't think she is saying the same thing though.

It's a mixture of 'nut picking' - pretending that extreme opinions that get lots of engagement on social media are representative - and taking aim at the same old targets.

When she says "instead of striving for liberation from discrimination and material oppression, we just want to inflate the visibility value that’s attached to suffering." I think she very much includes women campaigning for single sex rape crisis centres.

TheKeatingFive · 03/03/2025 12:34

MarieDeGournay · 03/03/2025 12:17

That's what makes intersectionality valuable- it gets all this, it accepts that 'privilege' varies according to circumstances, we're not just one-dimensional 'Black' or 'working class' or 'disabled' or 'White' or 'women' etc., all the various aspects of who we are have different significance in different contexts.
'Life's rich tapestry' as a PP said😄

And yet so many people don't seem to have taken this from their understanding of Intersectionality. Instead they've decided it means they have to take everyone into their cause.

MarieDeGournay · 03/03/2025 12:17

Tomatotater · 01/03/2025 11:38

💯 this. It's all very ' Let's talk about White Privilege and why White working class boys are equally as privileged as me because they are White (but they don't talk about how privileged they are so they're probably racist like their uneducated parents) but dont talk about me offering unpaid internships in the media that only my friends children can afford to do or my enormous London townhouse that allows my kids to go to a good state school or my Coke parties where I ignore the human and environmental destruction caused by the International drug trade. We're not racist because we respect 'Brown people'. But they must behave as we expect 'Brown people' to behave- as the oppressed and poor that we have to patronise with our superior Leftist thinking. If any of them are conservative, poor them. Too stupid to form their own opinions.

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That's what makes intersectionality valuable- it gets all this, it accepts that 'privilege' varies according to circumstances, we're not just one-dimensional 'Black' or 'working class' or 'disabled' or 'White' or 'women' etc., all the various aspects of who we are have different significance in different contexts.
'Life's rich tapestry' as a PP said😄

Tomatotater · 03/03/2025 11:55

Bloody hell does she have absolutely no self awareness? She's written a book saying exactly the same thing people have been saying for ages about ID politics, except they were saying it about her, and her fellow 'Progressive' travellers.

Competing in the attention economy incentivises us to turn molehills into mountains, and the cult of lived experience makes it hard to question proclamations of victimhood. The “I” has taken over identity politics: instead of striving for liberation from discrimination and material oppression, we just want to inflate the visibility value that’s attached to suffering. The retreat into subjective experience primes us for the politics of resentment, competitive grievance and weaponised victimhood. While the personal is political, the self is a dead-end if what you want is social change. It’s worth remembering the lesson of Narcissus: being too interested in your own reflection will kill you.

Really Ash, So why have you only come to this realisation now that you aren't being asked onto Question Time as much?

Now she's actually written a book and newspaper articles about it, as if its her own unique and sudden revelation in order to make a load of cash out of saying what she was busy slagging other people off for.

Lalgarh · 03/03/2025 11:42

Rubidium · 03/03/2025 10:00

Only taken her 14 years to realise.

Will she be denounced by comrade Little Owen now

Merrymouse · 03/03/2025 10:20

From that article

"or David Baddiel accusing an Arab-Australian poet of having erased and trampled on Jesus’ Jewishness for saying he looks like family, modern identity politics has set a comically low threshold for harm."

Got to get a dig at a man who talks about anti-semitism.

She can't help herself.

TempestTost · 03/03/2025 00:39

TheKeatingFive · 01/03/2025 12:11

I'd be interested in seeing that, do you know where it was posted?

I work with advertisers and marketeers a lot (adjacent industry) and I can attest to this.

The other thing that I've started to notice in this/my industry is the absolute devotion to anything new and shiny. There's never any thought given to whether that's good for society as a whole, in marketing, newness is an undisputed value in itself. So the trans narrative delivers for them on multiple fronts.

Here's the link to the interview:

ArabellaScott · 02/03/2025 18:30

https://archive.ph/oaYO6

A positive review. For balance.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2025 17:44

Sorry, I meant to say, that seems quite a lot of money to listen to two people punt their books.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2025 17:43

SevenTEEN pounds?! Good christ. I'd rather put a stick blender in my ear.

https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/judith-butler-whos-afraid-of-gender/