The Zizians transgender cult

I remember reading about this on Andy Ngo's account on Twitter/X, following the shooting on the Canadian border. None of the press were reporting it, especially in California.

Sound like any Scottish politicians you could name?

The Spiked article has to be one of the strangest things I've ever read. Totally bizarre.
Genius close to madness eh?
And those poor victims

They differed from their peers only in their arrogance, self-righteousness and literal-mindedness.

Spot on.

That was the EXACT paragraph I was going to copy and paste after reading the article.

They're nuttier than a fruit and nut bar

Great article, and unlike most, no “preferred pronouns” for cultist murderers!

In some ways, the Zizians are precisely a product of their privileged backgrounds. They drank deep on narratives of trans victimhood, on the bigotry of mainstream society and on the need to ward off an apocalyptic future. Their view of the world is a Manichaean one, divided up into ‘good’ and ‘evil’ people, the latter of whom no doubt deserve to die. It is what their prep schools and universities had drilled into them since they were kids. They differed from their peers only in their arrogance, self-righteousness and literal-mindedness.
The Zizians tick all the same boxes as the cults of old – murder, intimidation and a messiah-like leader. But they come with some 21st-century updates. Trans, vegan and convinced of their own moral rectitude, they are very much a cult of our time.

There's a long article in Spiked

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/16/inside-the-trans-vegan-death-cult/

When discussing their parents online they sound like stroppy young teenagers rather than adults.

Yes, lots of references to memes and fan fiction in LaSota's linked blog.

It's worth clicking through the link to read LaSota's disordered thoughts, where he writes about arguing with people about trans stuff.

"If I couldn’t convince her I wasn’t a man, hopefully I could get her to stop treating me like an aggressive pickup artist sexual marxist incel would-be-rapist future Elliot Rodger?"

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"Retrospectively. Filtering out trans women who believe they are women is, by the normal definition, filtering out trans women. How many hiring decisions has Anna had a say in? CFAR has had <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221222125323/www.rationality.org/about/staff" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">almostt^ <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225124835/www.rationality.org/about/instructors" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">300^ employees, and no trans women. That is drastically below <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221226044200/www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154078468809228" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">base rates in the Berkeley rationality communityy^."

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"She randomly brought up, “but, I’m don’t know you wouldn’t use physical violence” (wd?). On hearing this, I noticed myself automatically desperately searching, how can I reassure her? Only obvious answer was, be more domesticated in general, like she kept <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203910/sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pressingg^. <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203918/sinceriously.fyi/good-group-and-pasek's-doom" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">But that would be giving up everythingg^. And. This felt like a treadmill. I was already trying very hard to be TDT-principled, and I thought that was visible enough. Their thing had to be part of a strategy. Whoever was not part of the <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203826/sinceriously.fyi/glossary/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">default coalition of violencee^, to be treated as dangerous, regardless of the intentions, deontology, stance, policy, of whatever independent “state” they were a part of. This, going out of my way to be “verifiable” as Anna <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203910/sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">talked aboutt^… not that I particularly wanted to shift my foreign policy as an “independent state”, but this thing where I tried really hard to prevent even the possible prediction of me being violent from influencing things at all because that would be unfair/aggressive/evil wasn’t really working out for me, because people like Anna would cynically exploit it. I had been silent for a few seconds. Anna started to react, and I noticed my expression had shifted, and I was staring through her as I tended to do when my mind slipped into <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203826/sinceriously.fyi/glossary/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the voidd^. Anna took on the tone of voice and gesturing of someone trying to quickly backtrack and erase something from the social record, saying, “No sorry I do know that.” (wd?)"

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203918/sinceriously.fyi/intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20221225203918/sinceriously.fyi/intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/

Christ, that headline.

'They wanted to save us from a dark AI future. Then six people were killed'

Holy passive voice.

Fucking hell.

When I have a bit of time I'll post a version with sex-based pronouns instead of identity pronouns. I think it will read very very differently.

This is a long read https://www.theguardian.com/global/ng-interactive/2025/mar/05/zizians-artificial-intelligence?CMP=ShareiOSAppOther

Wow. I am speechless.

I'm struck by the contrast in their intellect and their naivety. When discussing their parents online they sound like stroppy young teenagers rather than adults. Clearly massive online radicalisation with neurodivergency and mental health issues going on.

This whole thing is just 😱

However, funnily enough I had no problems in immediately identifying the sex of the 3 people arrested, from the photos in that article shared by the Farms. Funny, that.

The access to guns in America never fails to shock me

I was watching ‘Who Do You Think You Are USA’ the other day and had to pause it to be sure that, as one of the slebs went into a grand old library to look at the archives for details of his ancestors, the door really did have a picture of a handgun crossed out, below the ‘no smoking’ one. And yes, it really did. Guess those genealogists are known for their gun-totin’ ways.

As I mentioned, the woman (Griselda?) who did the one I posted made an effort to she/her but kept forgetting.

Related to this, Youtube true crime channel "That Chapter" has very recently covered this case, and referred to the killers as "she" and "her" all the way through with their female names.

The comments section is interesting, usually people fawn over Mike (the narrator) but he's really taking some heat in the comments section.

He hasn't responded.

Share token for the telegraphs take on this cult.

https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/ee7aadd1056adae5

This is also a good true crime podcast, very clear on all the connections.

https://www.youtube.com/live/3xXysTrATno?si=AbNPD-9jLfcFIZZT

On another thread it was stated that Ziz has been arrested. The Farms had this archive about the arrest, so I thought that I would share it here.

archive.ph/wT1uB

Fallingdownhouse beat me to it but there’s a good Blocked & Reported podcast episode which has a wealth of background detail on the Zizian origins

Some good points made at the end of that video regarding media coverage (and lack thereof) of this group of people.

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So the Baader-Meinhiof Gang of our era in terms of profile, with even battier "philosophical' embellishments.

Blocked and Reported did an episode on this on 8 Feb. Jessie talked to Tracing Woodgrains about the whole sorry mess. Interesting listen.

This YouTuber has put together a timeline on the bizarre and horrendous events around this cult which are convoluted to say the least!