Knickers to knackers

They always call them, "panties", too.
I don't know any woman who calls their underwear that, it's a creepy man name for them.
Bleeuurgh.
I always feel like I want to dip my head in bleach after talking about disgusting Dr Upton.

I was thinking the same. The T on Reddit are always talking about panties 🤮🤢. I never hear real women using that word
Only creepy pervs and TW

Wasn't Donald Trump told to 'put on his big boy pants' when he lost to Biden? Anyway, no women would say 'big girl pants' and it's a totally inappropriate term to be used in a courtroom.

Thanks. That makes it weirder that women would use it since there's no such female transition from shorts to trousers. (Though obviously phrases can evolve and the original meaning is lost and I've definitely heard people use it with toilet training as well.)

It also implies then that the person is maturing into an adult (man or woman) and is a kind of rite of passage. It only makes sense to me if said by a person who has already passed through the rite themselves.

Now I'm wondering, do some people think that membership of the group "women" can be conferred if someone does enough work to become a woman? (This is why a man might use the phrase big girls pants as if to say, that's it, I've done the work) Or very special people can be allowed to join the club? (Which is the model we used to have, thanks to psychiatrists deciding for us.)

And other people think they can just declare into this group. Seemingly at will. With magic words.

The problem I have with this is that if I don't perform "woman" and if I don't declare myself "woman" then I wouldn't be a woman. And since I don't perform "man" or declare myself "man" I'm not that either.

I wonder what I am? Why don't I have the special sparkly magics?

afaik the phrase was originally American, 'put on your big boy pants' referred to pants in the American or Irish sense, so trousers not underwear, and was a colourful way of saying 'grow up'.

I think I'll stick with 'grow up', don't want to use any kind of undergarment language around these people.

This is a male person who feels he has the right to appropriate anything as long as it is ‘sincerely’ felt.

And by declaring womanhood, it has to be logical that homosexuality follows.

He's 28. He's a qualified doctor. He's a man.

He is not and never was a girl. It was one of several instances where he carefully and deliberately appropriated women's things.

Another offensive appropriation was where he hypothesised about homophobes objecting to his marriage.

He's a straight, white, middle-class man.

The NHS has enabled this man to mock women. Edit - enabled, supported and encouraged.

He'd been working on what to say. He must've known he'd be asked.

Why, if he was really was almost collapsing with upset and distress at seeing Sandie in the CR, and had to be helped to his car crying his eyes out, he'd go right back in there three days later?

He's not to know how unlikely it is that any woman would say that.

In a public situation.

In front of an audience.

To describe her 'bravery' in stripping off. In the wrong changing room.

It's a testament to quite how inappropriate it is that journalists are seizing on it with such glee,

Unfortunately in context it definitely didn't mean face up to reality or take responsibility.

That phrase when he said it made me feel nauseous, imagining him in women's underwear.
Bleeeeeuuuurgh.

Gird your loins would have been the original phrase.
I’m going with nurses’ knickers because big girls’ pants now has been tainted by that simpering eejit

No nonsense nurse knickers, eh!
I like it. What I've had rattling round my brain is -

It's time to be more Sandie.

But maybe there's something motherly about it. If I say it to myself with kindness.

Come on, it's time...

Not misogynistically or infantilising or appropriating.

That is a really interesting phrase. It's not one I'd use. Doesn't it mean move on from nappies and start wearing pants? I know some women use it together or about themselves in a way that's useful for them but I can't help finding it odd. It's sort of like "grow a pair" or "man up" but really more like "take off the stabilisers". Something used for support is taken away and the person has to face up to reality. And take care of their own shit unaided...
I don't know what I'd replace it with. I just sort of say to myself "come on, it's time you stopped pissing about and took responsibility" which err doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Grow up?
Roll up your sleeves and get stuck in?
Step up to the plate?
Face the music?

Maybe no-nonsense nurse knickers is the way to go.

Crack on.

Bingo.

I don't think we should cede anything more, even phrases like "big girl pants". The more we cede, the more they colonize. There is nothing they won't coopt. They've invaded our spaces, mimicked our body parts, stolen our names. We're the ones losing our "existence", not them.

No-nonsense nurse knickers as opposed to delusional doctor drawers?

I wonder how his mum felt about him using that expression, I hope she was listening in remotely as it was worse actually hearing it in use than reading it on paper. One of the few times I’ve been startled enough to gasp aloud.
I was in disbelief he was so arrogant enough to think it was acceptable and cocky enough to think he could get away it with. Pure trip to Malaga in plain sight and that was probably the thrill for him.

I'm just grateful that he said pants and not panties. He's just the sort of creepy man that would use the term

Fascinating discussion. I don't think Upton realises just how offensive the majority of the population found his comments and attitudes to women - let alone his claim that he's really a biological woman 😂
Having read countless press articles and the horrified comments from readers everywhere, he's done a massive service in highlighting the nature of demands transactivists make of women and girls: Full compliance, demure behaviour, instructions must be complied with and no boundaries are acceptable.
Doesn't take people long to realise that the NHS is essentially decriminalising flashing / indecent exposure and voyeurism.

Deliberate needling of the claimant, or a trip to Malaga?

A twofer, methinks...

He was trying to a be clever dick but the joke was on him. No woman would use that phrase in a court. He was keen to (over) associate himself with women’s underwear.
He isn't clever enough to realise that however in control and however powerful he thinks he is, when you say things like that they will get picked up on and judged on the accepted norms. People know he’s trying to incite and do it on purpose as he’s been calculated with his words so it just makes him look arrogant and male.

Context matters.

It's interesting how the phrase hits differently when used by a grown woman, and when used by a man, especially in a formal setting like that of a tribunal.