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Daily Echo: Hampshire woman appears in court charged with raping girl

158 replies

frazzled1 · 13/02/2025 11:22

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24930914.woman-accused-sex-assault-children-appears-court/

The Mail reporting is clearer...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

Transgender woman Maddison Wilson, 37, is accused of abusing the young girl 'with your penis' in 2011, according to the charge sheet.

Wilson is also accused of sexually assaulting a boy under the age of 13 around six years later.

The alleged sex offender spoke only to confirm their preferred pronouns of 'she/her' in the dock at Southampton Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Transgender woman appears in court accused of raping a girl under 13

Maddison Wilson, 37, who identifies as a woman and lives in Portsmouth, is accused of attacking the young girl 'with your penis', according to the charge sheet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

OP posts:
Undrugged · 13/02/2025 23:14

In the mail article, strangely appears to have three legs in the accompanying picture.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 23:07

The daily echo has now changed its headline to 'trans woman'. I imagine it had complaints - the original wasn't compliant with the first clause of the IPSO code relating to accuracy and not publishing misleading headlines.

FranticFrankie · 13/02/2025 21:07

I see no woman
Have searched and still nope

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 20:56

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2025 19:47

It does indeed say "if he penetrates' and "with his penis".

I can't think why a smart lawyer doesn't appeal a guilty verdict if the court uses "she" and "her penis" throughout.

That's not the wording of the law so how could the defendant have broken it?

Oh I would love to see an appeal on that basis.

Can't think of anything better to peak the masses.

UltraLiteLife · 13/02/2025 20:48

A traumatised child is at the heart of this.

It's not something for linguistic games nor thought experiments no matter who is doing it with what grim realisation, despair, or intent.

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2025 19:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:26

No, the law says something like, Person A commits the offence of rape if he penetrates Person B with his penis and Person B does not consent and Person A does not reasonably believe that Person B consents.

It doesn't say that Person A has to be a man, although back in 2003 I don't think anyone believed in the womanly penis.

It does indeed say "if he penetrates' and "with his penis".

I can't think why a smart lawyer doesn't appeal a guilty verdict if the court uses "she" and "her penis" throughout.

That's not the wording of the law so how could the defendant have broken it?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:26

TheCatsTongue · 13/02/2025 19:22

Is that the case? Or is it technically only rape can be carried out with a penis, and if a woman has a penis...

Is the law written in such a way that it doesn't explicitly say that only a male (as it could be a boy under 18) can rape and that if someone self-identifies as female it is possible that a female with a penis can rape?

Females don't have penises, I'm simply questioning the definition of the law.

And thinking further I don't think the law says that only males can rape, otherwise these men would be using the self-ID route to downgrade their rape charge to sexual assault.

No, the law says something like, Person A commits the offence of rape if he penetrates Person B with his penis and Person B does not consent and Person A does not reasonably believe that Person B consents.

It doesn't say that Person A has to be a man, although back in 2003 I don't think anyone believed in the womanly penis.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:24

How exactly does one identify as a woman whilst using one's penis to rape one?

TheCatsTongue · 13/02/2025 19:22

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2025 17:37

Only a man can rape. That's "the law".

Is that the case? Or is it technically only rape can be carried out with a penis, and if a woman has a penis...

Is the law written in such a way that it doesn't explicitly say that only a male (as it could be a boy under 18) can rape and that if someone self-identifies as female it is possible that a female with a penis can rape?

Females don't have penises, I'm simply questioning the definition of the law.

And thinking further I don't think the law says that only males can rape, otherwise these men would be using the self-ID route to downgrade their rape charge to sexual assault.

PaterPower · 13/02/2025 17:42

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2025 17:37

Only a man can rape. That's "the law".

Agreed. Doesn’t stop the police and CPS from recording sex incorrectly though:

The official court charge sheet identifies Wilson as a female. But the wording of the rape charge says that Wilson allegedly attacked the girl 'with your penis'.

PaterPower · 13/02/2025 17:40

Wait until his 13 year old latest (alleged, I guess we are obliged to say) victim has to testify for the court case.

I hope she’s not obliged to pretend her attacker is a woman, but previous cases suggest she may be put under pressure to.

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2025 17:37

PaterPower · 13/02/2025 17:35

I believe it states in the article that he’s been charged as a “woman”

Stunning. And. Brave.

Only a man can rape. That's "the law".

PaterPower · 13/02/2025 17:35

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 11:54

Bloody hell.

I hope the police have recorded this person as male.

I believe it states in the article that he’s been charged as a “woman”

Stunning. And. Brave.

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2025 17:11

Her penis

Lou205 · 13/02/2025 16:51

Fucking hell, talk about face like a bag of nails. Only men can rape, and no one should be pretending otherwise, vile, vile man.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/02/2025 16:42

I wonder how long the womanhood has been, because there don’t even seem to be any cosmetic changes.

NPET · 13/02/2025 16:35

When I saw the headline I thought "don't believe it".
Read on and thought "oh, so I was right not to believe it!".

Its almost as if they're blaming the penis, not the person it's attached to.

HRTQueen · 13/02/2025 12:28

why are they referring to this very dangerous man by the pronouns he prefers

this madness has to stop

I am beyond caring if I have agreed with so called right wing politics/media when women and children are at risk from these dangerous men

Grammarnut · 13/02/2025 12:23

I see pink Alice bands now = woman.
The bench book now says that it is not appropriate to use incorrect pronouns in cases of sexual assault. Wonder how that will play.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 13/02/2025 12:12

I would feel so insulted if I was the judge - this man is taking the piss out of everyone! He is literally mocking the court...

Merrymouse · 13/02/2025 12:03

I'm a bit suspicious that they do this deliberately to get clicks. I'm sure this story is getting a lot more shares than "Dance studio owner heartbroken after windows smashed in early hours of morning".

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2025 11:54

Doesn't this need adding to the "It will never happen - resource thread"?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 11:54

Bloody hell.

I hope the police have recorded this person as male.

madamweb · 13/02/2025 11:53

FriedGold32 · 13/02/2025 11:41

I'm sure the journalist will be getting a load of flak on Twitter but I have to say, if I were working on one of these publications I would take great pleasure in printing stories exactly like that, using their ridiculous language rules as long as there was a photo attached. Nothing will peak the public harder and faster than exactly the way that story has been presented.

Exactly.

Oh this makes me feel so angry though