Petition to repeal the Gender Recognition Act

Do they though? Male people can be excluded on the grounds of GR or Sex, whether or not they have a GRC. I'm not sure I follow you.

That's a self-ID issue - bad in itself, but it doesn't contradict what the govt says about retaining the requirement of a clinical diagnosis of gd for the acquisition of a GRC.

Except there is now a ruling from the Inner House of the Court of Session that a man without a GRC is a man regardless of ‘transition’.

Before the GRA the assumption was that there was a point where a man could change sex. See Croft v. Royal Mail

https://a-question-of-consent.net/2020/08/16/croft-v-royal-mail-between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place/

Croft lost his case because it was judged that he hadn't yet reached the point of transition (he was pre-operative), not because it was held that no man could change sex.

The GRA defines the point of transition as acquisition of a GRC, but then clearly states that this only applies in some circumstances.

Repeal of the GRA risks removing exceptions that allow single sex services without preventing men from being legally recognised as women.

I agree, but I also think each time this is raised it makes it a bit more likely to happen in future.

Case law is based on law though, and if the law allowing people to force others to pretend they have changed sex is repealed then cases that follow from that no longer stand.

I have signed the petition but I am not hopeful that it will get the numbers required for any meaningful discussion. I also agree with @Floisme the current government are too entrenched in its support for this legislation.

I don't think the GRA is well written, and I very much resent the idea that the government thinks I have a gender. I would very much like the government to explain what they mean by this.

However, if the GRA is repealed we just have case law and no exceptions. That doesn't sound better.

A diagnosis has really already been removed by stealth. And digital ID will cement it:

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/government-removes-safeguards-from-digital-identity-bill/

“Government plans to rely on citizens and business to use “common sense”
In the debate last week, DSIT Minister Chris Bryant rejected the arguments for ensuring that data about sex is accurate, saying:
“I simply do not buy this argument that we need to make this provision in relation to all digital verification services.”

…But in a letter to Dr Caroline Johnson MPhe said:
“Digital verification services can be used to prove sex or gender, in the same way that individuals can already prove their sex using their passport, for example.”

Johnson had to put the record straight about this in a point of order in the House of Commons. We know that “passport sex” is not reliable or accurate. HMPO even explicitly allows men who identify as “crossdressers” to have “female” passports”

I do believe one day it will have to be repealed. It's just a mad piece of legislation that creates more harms than benefits.

I think this current government are far too emotionally attached to the GRA to contemplate repealing it. But whereas before I believed the idea was pretty pointless, I now think that the more they're pushed into making vacuous, contradictory soundbites like this, the better.

The keep sex and gender separate they would need to define gender and define it in a non-circulatory way (gender = gender) and start recording sex and gender separately PLUS start using words for gender that are not stolen from sex - so feminine and masculine. Keep male/female/girl/boy/men/women and pronouns as referring to sex.

I think repealing the GRA is a non-starter as it would be seen as political suicide.

I think what they should do is amend it to keep sex and gender separate. So it's acknowledging your preferred gender, for those that feel they need this. But not changing your legal sex [this isn't my original idea, I've pinched it from others on here!]

Will have to see what the Supreme Court have to say about the GRA vs Equality Act in the upcoming What is a Woman decision ...

They have said several times they will modernise while keeping the requirement for a clinical diagnosis.
Not that a diagnosis is difficult to get, but let's be fair to the government.

"Modernising" will be removing GD as a requirement and whatever nightmares lie in operation as a result of digital ID.

Maybe they'll assign gender by AI.

The Tories already modernised the GRA by putting the application process online.

Funny how they changed the definition of female and women for a predicted 5000 max of men, but when 10,000 people highlight the problems, they are ignored.

It’s still worth signing if you haven’t already. They need to look at it again if it gets to 100,000 signatures. There isn’t one single thing that’s going to persuade the government we just have to keep pushing from every direction

I dont think the government will even review the GRA and EqA interactions. Any changes will be piecemeal based on safeguarding failures while still maintain the fundamental problem of allowing any man to have female id. And forcing that administrative lie on woman and children.

The only way i can see it happening is if LGB organisations use it as a bargaining chip for other policies. Probably around surrogacy.

Everything for the best, in this best of all possible worlds.

Giving them a QR code?

Its and odd phrase which could mean anything to anyone. Modernising to me means the process in terms of technology used. So rather than sending actal paper copies of names used and appointments, send electronic versions.

But that is isn't a relevant response to this petition.

I think its a phrase they hope will reassure both woman and TRA without actually saying or promising anything. But i do think it leans towards an ideological idea that anything progressive is modern and the inevitable way forward.

Yes, polls show that public opinion has now tipped over the point where the majority don't support people being able to legally change sex/gender.

If you look back to discussions on here a few years ago, when a similar petition was started, there was a lot of pushback. 'Oh, you can't repeal the GRA!' was a frequent response. People were shocked at the suggestion.

It took a good long while for that petition to get to 10,000.

This one whizzed up in a matter of days or weeks, I think.

Things have changed. If nothing else, it's an interesting barometer.

It's interesting, that pattern, isn't it!