I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

You really don't get it. It is not a distraction to the thousands and hundreds of thousands of women and girls who play sport. In fact, one could say its a health issue as girls are dropping out sport at an alarming rate. With a sedentary gamer/mobile era we live in, its even more of a priority! Probably more now than ever. And, lastly, we don't give a stuff if its a 'distraction'. We don't give fat rats crack. We care that's its happening at all.

Can you provide any evidence of this please? As I understand it, the few women who even attempted the selection process had 'easier' criteria than the men. Which made it pointless really.

No, you can't be sure a Democrat won't do it, actually.

The Democrats have not learned from the election. They are not listening to women and steadfastly refuse to change tack on this. They are not just doubling down on trans ideology, they are tripling down , quadrupling down and septupling down. It will be at least 15 to 25 years before they wholeheartedly agree to support womens rights in sport.

We DON'T have that kind of time!! Girls are giving up sports left, right and centre. Many of them have said because their are boys on the team and they get hurt, and don't get a change. This is also about health and fitness. Do you get it yet? We DON'T HAVE THE TIME for your ideologist purism and your Democrat candidate to come forward. We don't have that bloody flippen time!

It's populist because Trump et al. recognised an opportunity to gain a sector of voters and took it. He and his party don't support women - they want women to support them.

So exactly like the Democrats playing cat and mouse with voters over abortion rights for the last 40 years then. The Democrats sadly are far more populist about womens votes than Trump is. The Democrats sadly truly don't give a flying fuck about abortion. They've proved that by not codifying it so they can keep abortion as a weapon for votes. At least Trump (as much of a lowlife pos he is) didn't dangle the carrot then snatch it away. He did what he said he'd do. Which is a damn site farken more than the Democrats ever have done with our rights. 40 farken years and Dems still haven't codified abortion. We'd be waiting 150 years before they did anything about sports. And you know it.

That's true, he is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart, but most of us know that. We're just grateful it's happening.

Know something? Democrats too, aren't advocating for abortion rights out of the goodness of their heart. They do it for politics, because they know it gets them votes. If they codified Roe v Wade into actual law, they would remove abortion as a voting issue for them. Which is why they didn't do it. Democrats don't advocate for abortion rights because they care or out of goodness of their hearts. Its all politics to them. As it is with Trump.

The fact you think protecting the basic human rights of females - the traditionally (and still) oppressed sex class - instead of admitting this is about protecting female rights from MALES, shows you know pro-trans is anti-women and persecuting females. Enjoy persecuting females and being on your knees for the male sex class. I'm sure men won't laugh at you or anything for being a useful tool to their Mens Rights Movement. Kidding. From experience of seeing inside the incel/MRA movement? They laugh at people like you (when they talk about trans issue) and how easy you are to manipulate and do their bidding for them. You realise you're a major joke to these men. They won't reward you for being on your knees genuflecting to them.

Male categories also need to have integrity. Even at the same weight, for example, a man competing against a woman in martial arts is going to have superior capability; and also she could be injured.

There is also the issue of men not playing to their peak capacity for fear of harming the women taking part.

There could be an open category in the sports in which physical contact is not a thing, as well as the male and female categories.

If the Democrats had codified Roe v Wade into law decades ago instead of doing nothing about it so they could use it as the carrot on a stick WEAPON to win elections, we wouldn't be in this situation. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg (sp?) said Democrats should codify it.

But they just... never, er, got around to it. And we all know why. They needed that carrot. The whole entire EXISTENCE of the Democrats for the last 40-odd years has been about abortion. Nothing....else. Yet, they did not one fucking thing to codify it into law. Not...one...fucking....thing. In reality, when it comes to abortions rights, the Democrats have been as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. They needed abortion to always hang legally in the balance, to be elected. That makes them more evil than Trump is, imo.

Another day, another "preventing trans women from... will make abortion illegal" argument.

Why does this argument that abortion is dependent on trans rights keep persisting?

And the weight categories in boxing. After all, sport is a meritocracy and there are loads of excellent featherweight!

This is about MALE and FEMALE. Not 'trans' people.

You're asking us, including me, a rape survivor, why it bothers us that a male with his penis and testicles intact are in a woman and girls changeroom or battered womens shelter or facility.

You're asking us why it bothers us that a post-pubertal male with ENORMOUS INSURMOUNTABLE post-pubertal advantage, takes all the medals and rankings of a girl who sacrificed everything.

You should be ashamed of yourself, @dovetail22uk . Have a word with yourself. Why do you HATE females and our hard won struggles so much that you are a Mens Rights Activist? Why? What happened to you to cause you to have to so much hate in your heart for the female sex class? Why?

Womens rights is not 'twwannnnspobia', @dovetail22uk . But your femphobia and misogynistic bigotry is strong.

And wouldn’t it be wonderful that we could all be celebrating the Democratic Party leader signing off these EOs? But that was never going to happen under a Harris government.

By the way, did you express horror when Biden signed off EOs that caused harm to the collective rights for female people? What about Biden’s appointing Levine and discovering the extent of Levine’s involvement in changes to WPATH?

Or were those just considered small blips and to be deflected away from to say ‘look at all the great things being done’?

Tell me you don't know anything about the enormous INSURMOUNTABLE advantage post-pubertal males have without telling me. Female sports were created PRECISELY BECAUSE no woman could ever win anything without it. That was the only reason female sports were created. Even Serena Williams admitted she'd lose against the lowest ranking male tennis player.

You may as well say do away with the paralympics while you're at it, @Dotjones .

"..the rights of every woman are quietly being destroyed"

That sounds very concerning. If we knew which rights specifically and exactly how they are being destroyed, we would be in a better position to criticise and campaign.

Not sure what this has to do with the post, really. Yes, she’s a woman but she wasn’t fired because she was a woman (it appears to be because she spent too much time focusing on DEI policy and not enough time reducing drugs and illegal immigrants from crossing the border, ie her job, which she was deemed to have failed in the performance thereof?). If you check sources, 75% of the people he/his administration have fired are men.

For the record, I do think the way this was handled is despicable, but I find it difficult to believe she was singled out for this treatment because she was a woman. I suspect there are equivalent stories of male employees who have been treated this badly upon being fired too, but they haven’t garnered the air time in the media.

agree. Women deserve fair sport that is inclusive for women.

Men can compete in the men's sport categories, or Open if that's what they want to call it. I don't see how it affects men's sport at all.

If a woman is good enough to compete with men and thinks the Open category is a better opportunity (maybe prize money or media exposure or facilities are better) then fair play to her. No issue with that.

Politician trying to win votes shocker. Whatever next!

Fwiw I get the impression Trump doesn't actually like males in women's sports anyway. He is clearly not a TWAW believer. But the outcome is exactly the same regardless. He correctly identified a popular policy and has had the sense to quickly implement it, because he's a politician who has been electorally successful. It's what they do.

Look, I don't agree with TW in women's sports, but it is a distraction. While everyone is whooping and cheering, he is busy signing away on far more sweeping changes. He created the environment that allowed the over turning of Roe v Wade and allowed states to remove those rights.

While championing the rights of elite sports women (yes, grass roots, heard it before), the rights of every woman are quietly being destroyed. There are over 160 million women and girls in the US. The totality of women's rights is far more concerning than sport for me.

Many self described left wing people I know support the TWAW nonsense precisely because the right wing do not. They don’t want to be seen as finding common cause with right wing fundamentalists, Christians etc

Yes, its out of pugnacious tribalist spite. I used to think only the right were so politically purist and politically tribalistic. The left are as bad, if not worse, than the right. We're now at a place where if Trump and the Republicans made a rule against animal cruelty, the left will fight against it purely out of venomous politically tribalistic spite.

"He's only doing it for votes".

That is a politician, but the main difference is that he is actually doing what he said he would do.

How many politicians say something for votes and never do it? Broken promises.

People voted for him to ban males in female sports. He has now signed off on that policy within 3 weeks.

Its not a 'hollow victory' if you are a female competitor. Girls/women's sport are important to a lot of people. Over 5000 transwomen victors, 27 world records, 109 U.S. records, $1.6 million in prize money. Just in the last few yrs. https://hecheated.org/totals_results_2020s

And we are not 'idiots' for wanting fairness for women and girls who make so many sacrifices to train from sacrificing time with schoolfriends, to family, to free time, blood sweat and tears. Years. Then to have that stolen by a male, and all that time wasted for nothing. You sound very shallow and narrow-minded. There is far, far, far, FAR more to womens rights than just the state issue of abortion. We're all more than sick and tired people/Democrats holding that as a carrot out to women for their vote, when Democrats never once tried to codify it into law. Why would they? Then they'd no longer have that as a gambling chip.
And, btw, I say this as a labour member and voter who is pissed off with the left throwing womens rights away to pander to a misogynistic and dangerous Mens Rights movement.

Here is a poll done by a media outlet in the USA about women’s sports. The link to Leor Sapir’s post is

https://x.com/leorsapir/status/1887251272128139299?s=46

Tweet says :

“President Trump has signed an executive order limiting female sports to women and girls.

Some in the media will write that he "banned transgender people from sports."

He did no such thing. Disingenuous claims like these no longer resonate with the American people.

The latest NYT poll finds that the policy reflected in Trump's executive order is supported by

* 67% of Democrat or Democrat-leaning
* 94% of Republican or Republican-leaning
* 64% of Independents
* 79% of all Americans

It's hard to find any other issue in contemporary politics that has that such wide bipartisan support.

Trump may have just signed one of the most popular executive orders of the 21st century.”

The poll data is

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a66cc1cd29a9ea2c/41386e22-full.pdf

and page 18 is the relevant one to sport.

Should nearly 70% of those Democratic Party supporters feel shame at any positive feeling about this EO?

Or can we say that this and the other EO s that have been signed to signify the changes to support the very campaigns that women have worked for are worthwhile supporting without this repetitive shaming that has been a constant on these threads about the EO?

No they are not, they are males with male genitals and post-pubertal male physical sporting advantage @littledotheyknow .

Watching Trump signing this is a mind fuck, that's for sure, but then so was reading Kara Dansky's and Abigail Shrier's accounts of how 'good guys' like Obama and Biden helped to set this train wreck of women's and girls' rights in motion. Still at least my brain isn't so addled that I can't be happy for women and girls who want to play sport. I don't think they should have to wait until the right kind of person comes along to sort it out.